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Former PlayStation exec says console arms race has plateaued
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Yes, but if they don’t participate in this arms race then it will be too easy to emulate their hardware and it will be their own fault when people pirate their games. This is what I’ve gathered from reading opinions on Nintendo hardware here on Lemmy.
The other console makers put their games on PC already. That you can pirate Nintendo games on PC and run them better than if you bought them legitimately is further evidence that the console exclusive model doesn't make sense anymore.
You know those companies don’t owe you anything?
You know your comment is meaningless right?
If you have trouble extracting the meaning from this I'll help you out.
Many people around here hate big corpos which is very good.
Many people around here pirate stuff. This is not great since people have to be paid for their work. There are many mitigating circumstances, like if you can’t afford it, for example. In those cases it’s quite healthy since people get exposed to culture and from pure business standpoint might still mean some sales in the future.
Many people around here are critical of business decisions from big corporations. They’re obviously free to do that. At the same times, as long as those companies are not monopolies / oligopolies or doing anything illegal, they should be allowed to carry on.
Many people around here expect companies to just roll over and give them stuff. And that’s just being a spoiled brat.
I've not seen many pirates say that they expect companies to roll over and give them stuff. The biggest push for piracy I've seen is because companies refuse to sell their products. It's all licenses to use which can be revoked at any time. Many people aren't interested in licenses and since there is no legal way to actually purchase most games or movies, that just leaves pirating.
There has never been a legal way to purchase games or movies (as an individual I mean, obviously creators can sell the rights to the entire thing to another company).
See how everyone agitated everyone is when Google does stuff to prevent blocking ads on YouTube. Video games are not required to live or even actively participate in society. I say, sure, go pirate it if you can’t afford it but don’t invent ideology that makes you look like an entitled child.
Not sure what adblocker has to do with piracy, but the right to use adblocker is an even easier argument to make. I don't see why anyone shouldn't be able to parse through files downloaded from an http request however they want. I doubt most people read every bit of text from every web page they visit, why make an exception for ads? That's like feeling obligated to reading every bit of junk mail that makes it way into your mailbox after you sign up for a new credit card.
YouTube transcodes, stores and streams gigabytes if not terabytes of data that you’re using for free if you block ads. I consider that much more unethical than pirating from torrents or some other place because you actually cost them money. If you want to pirate YouTube content then I encourage you download it from somewhere else, it’s not like YouTube doesn’t offer ad-free experience for reasonable amount of money. It’s like everyone knows this but it’s too inconvenient for them to actually acknowledge.
Why do you think it is the responsibility of the user to fund youtube's server costs? Youtube is free. If it wasn't, it would require a login with presumably a subscription fee like Netflix or Max. Youtube's work around is to push ads and offer a subscription for an ad free experience. They created a problem for their users, then offered a paid solution. Many people accept that mainly because they either don't know how to block ads from their end (or cant), or like you they think they owe youtube something. There is nothing unethical about choosing what information is downloaded onto your hardrive from the web.
Lol, dude. If someone opened a hotdog stand and offered free hotdogs initially it doesn’t mean they have to provide free hotdogs forever because you got used to free hotdogs.
Absolutely. If they charge me money before I get that hotdog in my hand, then I'm all for it. If they try to put an ad flyer in my other hand as they give me the hotdogs, im not going to hold onto it. Alas the hotdog is already in my hand
You already ate that hotdog. You’re asking for more free hotdogs. At this point I have to wonder if you’re trying to fool me or yourself.
I'd argue it's the advertisers and their hosts that are fooling you. Though I'm sure they'd be happy to know your stance on their practices.
I don’t know, I pay for YouTube so I don’t have to deal with ads. Ad supported YouTube is a subpar experience that costs your time and data, similar to how your usage is an infrastructure cost to YouTube which ad revenue is supposed to cover and then bring some profit because they’re not a charity.
Nor I them. If they want to curb piracy, they can offer a better product than you'd get if you stole it. At this point, that means making their games available on PC. Likewise, when their back catalog is only legally available to rent and not purchase, I don't know how they expect anything other than piracy to result from that.
This is a great example of entitlement to other people’s work. Do you know those evil companies that you crave entertainment from also employ people who create this entertainment? You show complete and utter disrespect to the work that those people do.
It's interesting that you assume I pirate Switch games just because I can see why people pirate. I probably booted up Yuzu at some point to just see it running, but I only actually played Switch games on an actual Switch. My preferred method of playing Switch games these days is to not play them at all.
The ROMs I've got for their old platforms are games I've mostly bought before, and the rest are those that can't be purchased digitally at all. I just organize them and play them my way, which is better than Nintendo has ever made them available. If they have people they need to pay, then maybe they ought to sell me those old ROMs rather than sue the people who make them available.
I don’t understand why are you participating in this discussion on what are you talking about specifically then. Nobody ought to sell you anything if they don’t want to.
You brought up your interpretation of why people pirate Nintendo games. I think it's pretty clear that if stealing is better, people have an incentive to steal it. It's also a harder sell to say that those poor creators need to get paid when the way they made it available is not how their customers want it. All of this is relevant to the discussion of the diminishing role consoles play these days compared to the old days.
That interpretation I brought up is something I’m seeing on Lemmy constantly and it annoys me to no end. It boils down to „I don’t like the way Nintendo chooses to do business, therefore I can take their work”. I agree that this is a good enough reason to pirate stuff from a company that produces nothing of real value or is truly evil. Nintendo is not evil by a long shot.
People treat Nintendo as they were really dumb but Nintendo simply values their own work. Their games are exclusive to their own hardware and barely go on sale. This means that long term people assign more value to their work too and second hand copies are not disposable like everything else. It also shows in how much care Nintendo puts into their own games. They’re one of the last publishers that has major development studios that won’t make a game unless it brings something new to the table. And that’s possible only because Nintendo is a toy company first. This also leads to how Nintendo behaves, for better or worse.
People will say this is a service problem and that’s why they pirate. Yeah, and that’s on purpose because Nintendo knows what would happen otherwise. The alternative is turning Nintendo into a publisher that’s no different from Activision, churning out disposable games, chasing quarterly earning by filling them with ads and in app purchases. If that happens we all lose.
I stole plenty of Nintendo games in my life but I don’t go around saying Nintendo owes me anything. Those old games should be public domain but copyright law is a joke. That still doesn’t mean I’m entitled to that work because things could be priced differently under those circumstances.
I’ll also say good riddance on shutting down Yuzu, they profited from Nintendo work. Also fuck Nintendo for shutting down Ryujinx, they didn’t do anything wrong and Nintendo know this.
Nintendo is definitely not diminishing unlike other console makers. I think that’s precisely because of the above.
Nintendo will last longer on what is quickly becoming an outdated business model because they sell to a large audience of children. Their older Zelda or Metroid fans are more likely to be bothered by the fact that, for arbitrary business reasons, they're prohibited from running those games at higher frame rates or resolutions. But I'm a tinkerer. If I want to do something my way, and there's a way to do it, I'm going to. Nintendo could monetize me, but they opt not to.
I buy Nintendo games but I don’t believe they have should have any right to block me from running their software that I’ve dumped myself on any device I see fit. How does that make me entitled when I purchased their software?
I have never said emulation is unethical and even said something to the tune „fuck Nintendo for what they did to Ryujinx (but not Yuzu)” further below. Regardless, let’s not kid ourselves, you’re definitely in a minority if you really buy those games.
What nintendo needs to do is release games on pc. I would not pirate their games if i could buy them.
People have been saying "Nintendo should release their games for Platform That I Like" for decades. Pretty sure they're content with doing what they're been doing.
You're not wrong, but we've seen time and time again that piracy decreases with improved access. Look at what Spotify and netflix did to curb piracy.
This might be a broader conversation, but i see traditional consoles dying off soon. Look at xbox and playstations entrance into the pc market via online streaming.
I dont doubt theyre content suing the pants off creators showing emulation of games that havent been for sale for decades, but they are undoubtably anti-consumer at this point.
I see no point in shelling out a couple hundred bucks for a switch with a quarter of the computing power of my steamdeck, much less my pc.