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I found such a photo on the Internet and became interested in what function such a structure could perform.

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[-] StarManta@lemmy.world 583 points 1 year ago

My guess is that it will be a “nature highway” so migratory species can cross over the road

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 413 points 1 year ago

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These are great for wildlife as they provide a safe crossing over high-speed highways. They are usually design to be in already existing migration paths where moving a proposed highway may not work and not disrupting migration paths is of importance.

[-] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 129 points 1 year ago

So they're literally building the mountain next year. Neat.

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

They dug it out before. Later they rebuild it. But if they wait for a year, nature suffers much.

[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 year ago

Looks like a nice choke point for a predator to hang about.

[-] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

Possibly but I’d think it’s still safer than vehicles and less disruptive to overall migration for a given species.

I wonder if there’s been any studies showing how effective, if at all, these are.

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

There have been study's, these crossing are usually design to feel like open fields in a sense, so most animals will cross quick and on high alert to get through the "opening" in the field.

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Are there any predators smart enough to strategize like this? I know that some use water holes as hunting grounds, but that's probably more instinctive than actual strategy.

[-] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 year ago

Are there any predators smart enough to strategize like this?

it is the predators that build such passages. Have you ever seen any construction company building them? Even in the first photo that is under construction, there is not any human worker in sight

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

That under construction pit is the pit of the manlion. It's similar to the pit of the antlion, except for construction workers.

They always have to deal with the manlion before they start building. Often by pouring concrete over it.

[-] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

So you're telling me lions and tigers built that tunnel and that natural bridge? okay.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 8 points 11 months ago

Would they need to be that smart? Ambush predators that stay in roughly one area, for example, could naturally grow their numbers in the area around such a chokepoint simply by virtue of the ones in that area having more food available and therefore better survival chances.

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think that these human-made structures provide such a different environment (loud sounds from cars, moving/flashing lights etc.) that previous instinctual adaptations wouldn't trigger.

[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

They can track other species by smell at least. If that path is used by too many and smells like a farm, they would probably get used to hang around it naturally.

[-] Metatronz@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Maybe canines? Idk

I just think it would be dope to drive under as a dramatic fight between an elk and wolves tumbled off the side onto my vehicle. Killing all of us instantly. What a way to go!

[-] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I know octopi have been escaping their aquarium enclosures and covering their tracks that humans would see. Just to take one at a time pray from their tank. If I recall correctly even killer wailes have been taking down human boats. In conclusion there are for Shure aquatic predators that use genuine strategy. Granted with my killer waile example is a similar case of is it strategy or instinct.

[-] turboshadowcool@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

Good point, not sure the the strategizing octopi will be a major concern for this crossing tho. I guess you're never really save from those devious creatures..

[-] Sheeple@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago
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[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

It's taken into consideration of the design of these crossings.

[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I'd like to read about that,understand how it's done. it's a thought I have whenever I see them but of course the professionals designing them would have thought about it.

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There was a documentary I watch years ago where they went into great detail into this, as well as the design of these things. Can't remember where i saw this documentary though.

Anyways, researchers setup cameras trigger by movement and body heat to watch these overpasses and found no evidence of higher predetor active.

They also went into detail about how these things are design with extra width and gentle slopes to make them as "friendly" as possible depending on the specific species that will be migrating in the area, as different wildlife species prefer different types of crossing structures.

For example:

Grizzly bears and wolves

Wary animals like grizzly bears and wolves there is a "learning curve", it may take up to five years before they feel secure using newly built crossings. Grizzly bears, elk, moose and deer prefer wildlife crossings that are high, wide and short in length, including overpasses

Cougars and black bears

Cougars and black bears prefer long, low and narrow crossings such as underpasses.

Elk

Elk are usually the first large species to use the new crossings, even using some while they are still under construction!

Here are some articles that talk about some of the studies:

https://wildlife.org/wild-cam-do-predators-ambush-at-underpasses/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-67340-8

[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

Awesome, thank you.

[-] Sparlock@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Yea elk don't give a fuck about much really. We have a few herds where I live and they don't even move when we walk our dogs nearby. I even have a video of one coming right up to the fence around my property, both my great pyrenees were losing their minds with the elk less than a foot away, the elk seemed more curious about the noisy little things ("little" relative to a full grown elk that is) than anything else.

[-] GingeyBook@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

IIRC they just hire someone to sit there and say "shoo" at any potential predators

[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How can I get this job? I'm almost 40 and I haven't been eaten by a mountain lion yet. 100% success. I'm qualified.

[-] hexabs@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

-- Mountain Lion Sun Tzu

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is like that playground game, but with less violence since only one player gets hurt at a time.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It's also amazing visually! Forget regular highways! Let's have buried highways! That's especially good for if our country is invaded because we can install physical barriers to logistical supply lines against us!

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[-] Asudox@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

That's beautiful ngl

[-] Jerb322@lemmy.world 103 points 1 year ago

Sure looks like an animal crossing.

[-] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Why do they put deer crossing signs on the highway? Why can’t they put them on smaller roads instead‽

[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 24 points 1 year ago

Also, deer can't read street signs, so they don't know where to cross.

[-] devnull406@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

There's not much reading involved, it's got a big picture of a deer on it.

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Well they better learn. Or else... THEY DIE.

[-] Jerb322@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It bothers me that someone actually said this,and was serious....

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[-] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 70 points 11 months ago

This is the one! They're ridiculously effective, so much so that my home provinces is sinking like 250 million into building 5 more of them over the next 5 years

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It actually takes 50 million to make these? Gimme 50 good men who want to be millionaires and we can figure out the capital cost between us.

[-] LufyCZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

A lot of the money is probably sunk into ecological surveys, permits, bureaucracy overall

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[-] Slow@lemmy.today 18 points 1 year ago

Will there be compacted earth on top of the tunnel so animals can walk?

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 43 points 1 year ago

Yep, they call them land bridges. More of a hill than a mountain, but the meme is right!

[-] Slow@lemmy.today 17 points 1 year ago

This is cool. This is the first time I have heard about such projects.

[-] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

revisit the comment thread as someone has now posted a photo

[-] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So I was technically right in saying it would be an overpass, and as we all know technically right is the best kind of right lol

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