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[-] protist@mander.xyz 182 points 8 months ago

I'm about as atheist as they come, but it seems pretty settled history that the man existed and was politically impactful

[-] nbailey@lemmy.ca 101 points 8 months ago

He was most likely a real guy. But a guy Christian’s would absolutely hate: a brown Communist Palestinian who hung out with prostitutes, lepers, pariahs, refuted the legitimacy of the state, and organized massive mutual aid events to feed the poor. Probably a good dude. It’s a shame his followers are dicks though.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 8 months ago

I'm starting to think he wasn't all that great. He would have been someone who started a little apocalyptic religious following around himself, and those kind of people don't tend to have the best interests of their followers at heart.

He probably did see himself as starting something that would kick the Romans out of Judea and install himself as king. Judas got cold feet about it and warned the authorities. The Romans crucified him for exactly what the gospel accounts say, except they had a lot more evidence than the writers were letting on.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago

The Romans crucified him for exactly what the gospel accounts say, except they had a lot more evidence than the writers were letting on.

Very well. How come Pilot didn't take out the rest of the 11 and instead let them operate openly in Jerusalem? If Jesus was real and killed for trying to overthrow the state why wouldn't the state go after the rest of them? Pilot wasn't known for being a merciful guy and the Romans put down anyone who threatened them.

We know they were operating openly because Paul talks about visiting them and sending them money. Plus there are a few accounts of them.

Very strange. Almost as if there was no execution and James just made it up. Romans arent going to be interested in some weird mystery cult with a dead ruler.

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