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The debate accomplished more for Harris than it did for Trump (www.brookings.edu)
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[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 92 points 2 months ago

A good debate is where both sides have some points to try and establish evidence for. That's a rarity in today's political election cycles. Here, Harris just had to show who was the adult in the room and maybe get some talking points out to anyone who hadn't heard them yet. It could have been a town hall or campaign rally with a screaming toddler in the background, same effect.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 months ago

A good debate is one that informs voters and helps undecided folk decide

What you are describing is an entertaining episode of the West Wing

[-] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Lady, your debate is too busy being indicted for tax fraud!

[-] girthero@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Harris just had to show who was the adult in the room

I felt that was Hillary's strategy as well, but with Kamala, she had 4 years of his failures to bait him easier. Also shes just generally more likeable.

[-] cbarrick@lemmy.world 72 points 2 months ago

Trump: incoherent rambling about immigrants stealing then eating pets and Democrat governors aborting newborns

Kamala: "He lost the election, and he's clearly having a hard time processing that."

[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago

Also Kamala: I am your opponent, not Biden.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

At one point in his rambling, he said Kamala IS Biden. Thinking back on it, I bet that's why.

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago

Trump was abysmal... and it frustrates me that it probably didn't hurt him all that much. Yes, he looked like an angry incoherent buffoon and a spoiled pouting baby. He probably lost a few votes.

But that same performance from anyone else would have tanked their campaign. If Harris had been even slightly "off" or had a cold or made any significant mistakes, that's all the fucking MSM would be talking about today. Thank the stars she completely kicked his ass and looked good doing it.

But it's batshit that Trump can be so unhinged and still be in the running. He talks like the idiots who vote for him. His freakshow antics are good for ratings. That's it. That's the magic formula. It's dumb, it's dangerous, it's simple, and it works.

It's almost enough to make me think citizens should have to pass a basic civics exam to vote. I am not really there yet, but I can see some good arguments for it.

[-] BilliamBoberts@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

I talked to some friends after the debate who claim to be independent and they said they still thought they both were terrible. I don't understand how anyone could equate Harris with Trump, especially after Jan 6

[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I guess with the constant outrage machine and fear mongering that goes on 24x7 now, some people have just grown numb. It just doesn't register with them that democracy itself is on the line right now. If Trump wins, people could get put into camps. The very real possibility of that just doesn't sink in. They have forgotten that our nation has been to these dark places before. Our history is stained with that sort of regressive authoritarian nightmare stuff.

[-] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

It's not that they have forgotten. It's that they are privileged enough to not need to be aware of it or feel the dark effects as they creep in. Even non rich people can be privileged to a certain degree.

I have a bud who is basically a neet because of health conditions and he's like that, 'both sides are the sameish'. His family isn't rich but his mom has a decent middle class work from home job and they moved to a cheap AF state so they do alright. He's basically shielded from anything that could happen since he's a white, straight, male with health insurance through his mom.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 5 points 2 months ago

I like to sometimes remind people that being numb doesn't mean you aren't being hurt. If your arm is numb and someone is stabbing it with a knife, that's probably still a problem.

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Tests related to voting have tended to break the other way.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

If it was done online where they can be truly impartial, I think they could be fine, as long as it's just one page of questions so you can do it in like a minute

[-] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

She was coached very well and must have come across presidential to undecideds.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 6 points 2 months ago

She's a former prosecutor, so she likely didn't need much coaching.

[-] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

She absolutely did, and it showed. Being a prosecutor and debating on live TV are very different, least of all because you are trying to appeal to millions. She reduced her fillers, her laugh, and other bits which could have come across as patronising.

[-] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 3 points 2 months ago

Though I do wish she had laughed at him a little cause you could see her fighting it. Its hard to take Trump seriously when he rambles like that.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Yep, I could tell when her prep kicked in at various times.
Her prep team deserves a pizza party and raises.

She dominated.

[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

I doubt he will be participating in another one. He will stick to his "old man yells at cloud" gig until November.

[-] Rade0nfighter@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

Controversial but I was surprised at how well trump did for himself.

He managed to dial down the lies and rhetoric from “how stupid does he think the audience is” to “obviously bullshit”.

Well done to Harris of course, in particular for calling his playbook tactics out at the start, then repeatedly calling out the lies and dog whistling each time - the way to beat a manipulating bully is to shine a light on their behaviour plainly in public and she nailed it.

Bonus points to Harris as well for laughing at him whilst maintaining class.

[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

I thought he would lose control more but he did go into several crazy rants.

Harris I thought did a good job but I wanted her to point out not just his lies but his constant hyperbole and wild exaggerations.

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 16 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I wanted Harris to completely eviscerate Trump, which didn't exactly happen. But I don't think that's because she did poorly

it's because I know who I'm voting for, and I'm not the target audience.

Had it been the proverbial bloodbath that I wanted to see, it might not have played well with independents/those on the fence (which I blame largely on sexism

a ruthless woman is "a bitch," but a ruthless man is "strong," etc.).

Judging from the headlines and conversations I'm seeing, I think she really threaded the needle

came across as strong, intelligent, leader-like, all the while giving Trump enough rope to hang himself. More might have alienated voters, and less might have come across as too soft. Really good stuff from her and her campaign.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

I don't know that Trump gained any voters last night, but I think he lost some.

[-] wjrii@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Yup. Maybe not very many, since he didn't go full Colonel Jessep, but I can't see anyone but the true believers being pleased by his performance.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Even Fox News was finding it hard to say good things. They were going with "ABC was the real loser because they suck."

[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

I think many people didn't expect the moderators to get involved as much. I know it's hard to resist calling out trump's bullshit, but let Harris do that.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

And this coming from a noted (and respected) conservative think tank. It really says a lot.

[-] garretble@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Ya' think?

[-] nullboi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

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