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[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 146 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Elves looking down on the other races in middle earth? Say it ain't so!

See also Galadriel's words in the prologue to Fellowship of The Ring: Three rings were given to the Elves - immortal, wisest, and fairest of all beings.

Where's that meme of Obama putting a medal on Obama?

[-] SteveNashFan@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

IIRC, Elrond isn't as stuck-up in the book, but it's been a year or two since I last read Fellowship.

[-] hakase@lemm.ee 69 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

One of my biggest problems with the movies is that they made Elrond (and all of the other elves) so angry and stodgy, and completely ignored all of the joyful aspects of his character from the books. The elves, especially the Noldor, are a people defined by the way their joy for life is inextricably mixed with sorrow as they fight the long defeat, which is part of what makes them so compelling.

[-] Repelle@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago

Agreed. Hugo weaving is a good actor, but played the part so stoically that in my head I automatically insert “, Mr. Anderson” after everything Elrond says as if he’s agent Smith

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Frodo reappears after putting the ring on, disorientated from the experience

Elrond: “MISTER BAGGINS!”

Juno Reactor music starts playing

[-] bad_alloc@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

Cut to the Battle of the Morannon, but it's not an army of Gondor but just an endless stream of Agent Smiths bumrushing the Orcs with Kung Fu.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Funnily enough, one of my main problems at first was that they did the opposite to Gandalf in the opening scene: in the book, he's strict gravitas personified, but in the movie he's genially chuckling over a line he said seriously in the books.

Granted, he was pretty much spot on for pretty much the rest of the movie, in no small part because of how brilliant Ian McKellen was and is.

I thought Legolas was portrayed as too sympathetic compared to the books, though. His haughty attitude and general jerkness towards the also very proud Gimli was a big part of what fleshed out Gimli as a character.

Making Legolas one of the biggest Marty Stus outside of fan fiction in turn relegated Gimli to almost only a comic relief parody.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

There's a lot said about that particular dynamic and why it exists in the actual dwarf community.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

the actual dwarf community.

..you mean like "little people" or whatever the preferred term is? 😛

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Yes, elves in the books are a lot more... human.

They feast, they sing, they dance, they do stupid things, they prank each other. If anything they seem the most playful race.

Shit, in The Hobbit, a soldier on duty gets so drunk that he passes out, allowing Bilbo and the Dwarves are able to escape in barrels.

PJ very much took the Elves and said "let's make them into Star Trek Vulcans!"

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'd say Tolkien is a bit inconsistent in how he portrays elves. In The Hobbit, they are more like frolicking, dancing and singing pixies and in LotR they are more ethereal and aloof like fey.

Jackson chose to stick to the fey aspect.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Aren't the elves from The Hobbit also a different group? It could just be that they are frolicking weirdos compared to Elrond's and Galadriel's elves.

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It's literally Elrond in The Hobbit as far as I recall.

I think they're referring to the Wood Elves they encounter on their way through Mirkwood.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Well, Elrond was there in the beginning. Bilbo and the dwarves passed through Rivendel.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The playful, drunk elves of the Hobbit were wood elves; the stuffy ones were high elves

I think PJ made them a bit too up themselves

(Too stuck up, too snooty, too like the ideal British noble)

[-] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

I suspect this is about the silmarils and not the rings

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

Well I mean arrogance was one of their traits. The elves were the racists of middle Earth

[-] BearGun@ttrpg.network 30 points 1 month ago

To be completely fair they lived in a world where there actually were real differences between the races. In our world racism is silly because there aren't any actually relevant differences between the races, but the differences between elves, men, and dwarves are very real in middle earth. Not enough to pull everyone over a comb (to use a swedish proverb), but at least there's some substance to it.

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

There used to be different types of people on earth but we likely killed them all cause of racism 😞

Imagine if we still had other humanoids walking around

[-] maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I thought the latest research was pointing more toward homogenisation of the species through interbreeding rather than strictly competition or other factors.

OK so I was way off. This has info I was thinking of.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

It'd be more accurate to call them species. Elves are specist.

[-] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

But they can still produce offspring with humans (e.g. Elrond is half-elven), which is usually what defines a species.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Not necessarily. Elves and Humans would be classified as being part of the same genus of species, in this case homo, and members of the same genus can sometimes breed together under abnormal circumstances.

This is how you get ligers, a cross between a lion and a tiger. Both different species, but part of the panthera genus. Or mules, also a cross between two species, but part of the equus genus.

[-] rustydomino@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago
[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Feanor: Look at this! I've made the 3 coolest jewels EVER!!! 🥹

The Gods: Congrats, those are indeed the 3 coolest jewels ever made.

Feanor: I know, right! ☺️

The Gods: Now, hand them over to us.

Feanor:

[-] Maultasche@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Morgoth: I wasn't asking!

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 13 points 1 month ago

The Elves are going to the ships now, and they’re taking their bling.

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I quite like how Dwarf Fortress treats elves with contempt. If you try to sell them wooden furniture, they sink to their knees and weep at the loss of life, vowing to never trade with you again.

Naturally, this leads to many players inviting an Elven caravan into their fortresses, sealing the doors shut, setting traps, and letting nature take its course

[-] sepi@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago

I'm literally shaking right now

[-] FreshLight@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

I think OP lost a comma.

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