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[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

LFS is great, I started with it 25 years ago (not joking, it was GCC 2.9 time)

But quickly discovered Gentoo and been there since that time. LFS is not maintainable, Gentoo is the good of LFS plus perfect maintainability.

[–] bodaciousFern@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Never actually tried LFS but I have done Gentoo from stage 1 (back when that was an option), so I'm going to use your statement as an indication I can skip LFS 😁

[–] flubba86@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I did Gentoo from stage 1 too back in the day, it's was a valuable learning experience for me, and those skills helped me to fix things when they went wrong down the track.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

it's nice to see people are still doing this; bravo!

i've also intended to try my hand at this, but my inner masochist is too lazy for it. lol

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I do miss the way I used to be where I would get things exactly as I want and experiment with things. Now I just want to slap something on and be using it within the hour.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

same here on both counts.

i created a convincing lcars interface based on enlightenment 20-ish years ago and it would take on a whole new level of enjoyment nowadays with a touchscreen laptop; i could pretend that i have a padd. lol

[–] maduncle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not masochistic my self lol, I just tired with ordinary distro.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

that part of my comment was meant to be a self indictment/reflection; i'm a bit of a linux cuck since i've adapted myself to fit ordinary distros' designs instead of creating something that works for me. lol

that's why i marvel at people who do the needful that i should be doing, like here.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

This is my next project for when I discover a reserve of time and energy I didn't know I had.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm curious, how well has Musl been for software compatibility? How did you resolve any that came up?

[–] maduncle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

For musl, I've been actively using it for 7 months now and just encounter minor issue. Some packages need to be patched for musl compatibility (I borrow the patches from alpine linux).

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

I use Chimera Linux which is musl based. Compatibility is great. If you have the source, you are probably fine.

It can be a pain for projects that ship binaries as part of the build. Two examples that I have run into:

  • The Ladybird browser uses vpkg and the version their scripts download assumes Glibc. You can build vpkg itself on musl but the whole process is a pain.
  • dotnet requires a binary build of dotnet to bootstrap from. There are musl builds available but they assume GCC and Chimera uses Clang. Not really a musl problem now that I think of it.

Anyway, I use a Distrobox of Arch on Chimera. If I do run into something (like the two above), I just pop into that and problem solved.

Flatpak is essentially the same solution as they run in a container and the freedesktop base is Glibc based.

Not only is musl not generally a problem but, these days, it is trivial to work around it.

[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You will go back to your "usual" linux setup when you realize that most packages you set up with LFS are now broken and you'll need to redo the whole process again.

t. arch linux minimal installation only master race

[–] maduncle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Meh, archlinux is overrated.

[–] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I agree, AUR and pacman (syntax) suck. Apart from that Arch is one of the best.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don’t like the AUR? I have moved to Chimera Linux but I still use Distrobox just for the AUR.

[–] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

Its not about liking, its about how people use it and what for. AUR shouldn't be used willynillyngly.

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If you still like some manual dependency control. Slackware is your friend 😁

[–] bodaciousFern@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Slackware taught me appreciation for apt/yum dependency resolution.

It was a great learning experience, but I doubt I'd ever go back

[–] msage@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Gentoo is the only way.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm currently trying seatd+turnstile+greetd on Artix-dinit and Void (Runit), so far everything stable. s6 usersv would be an alternative for turnstile+dinit but i see s6 more on server, personally.

This reminds me, i wanted to try mdev for a long time (there's mdev like a boss).

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

You are using Turnstile on Void? Cool.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Wonder how long it took to build the system and compile everything.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

The only issue with LFS is maintenance. It is one thing to set it up but having to manually keep it all up to date does not sound like fun.

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 1 points 1 month ago

I tried LFS one time, and accidentally ran one or more of the commands on my host machine, rendering it unusable

[–] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] maduncle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Meh, laptop support is still mess.

[–] dino@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

Which model?

[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah on my Dell laptop that I have lying around, the machine I use to demo distros before giving them a real try, the wifi card is just not supported. I tried GhostBSD and openBSD.