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We all see and hear what goes on over there. Kim will execute kids if they don’t cheer hard enough at his birthday party or something? He’s always threatening to nuke countries and is probably has the highest domestic kill count out of any world leader today.

So I ask? Why don’t any other countries step in to help those people. I saw a survey asking Americans and Escaped North Koreans would they migrate to North Korea and to the US if given the chance (hypothetical for the refugees). And it was like <0.1% to 95%. Obviously those people live in terror.

Why do we just allow this to happen in modern civilization? Nukes on South Korea? Is just not lucrative to step in? SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME PLEASE!?

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[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Because China.

China sees NK as a buffer to the US, sort of a little brother that's a bit too crazy so they have to tug on the leash to get them to chill every now and then.

We've already got bases in SK, but the Yellow sea separates us from China. NK is the land barrier.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

china is the only reason why NK doesnt collapse right away, the ccp uses NK as a buffer against SK and the west. NK is a true vassal state of china, and ccp has recently begun making headways into russias natural resources.

[–] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I never thought about it like that

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago

yea thats why ccp is so friendly with NK, its a good buffer against South korea and the asian neighbors and eu and usa. i think they are the only ones that have major trade with them, russia is probably only convenient right now.

[–] susurrus0@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 days ago

We all see and hear what goes on over there.

Do we? We only get a little bit of news from there, and I wouldn't be sure how reliable it is.

Why don’t any other countries step in to help those people.

Help how? Go to war and slaughter most of their population? They are already heavily mobilized, and no doubt they'd conscript a lot more in case of a conflict. Not to mention they have nukes.

Why do we just allow this to happen in modern civilization?

Who is 'we'? No offence, but this sounds like some oblivious American patriot asking why America hasn't saved the world yet.

Is just not lucrative to step in?

Most countries don't have their own nukes, so they will never even consider getting into a conflict with a country that does have them. Most countries don't have even a fraction of the resources needed for any sort of operation.

Plus, North Korea has powerful allies (like China) and is technically a member of the UN, so you can't just disregard everything and conquer it.

[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 121 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Generally countries in the west only get involved in conflicts if they get something out of it, be it directly via getting wealth from the country, or indirectly like curbing successful non-capitalistic economies before they catch on and their own people start questioning the billionaires. The "we're there to liberate people" is just marketing speech.

[–] a_new_sad_me@lemmy.world 55 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I wonder why you say "countries in the west" and not just "countries". It's not like, I don't know, Banín is shouting about North Korea every day and nobody listens.

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[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 83 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Generally frowned upon to invade countries.

Ludicrously costly. Your tax payers will want to know why it's more important than everything else you do with their money.

Immense suffering. Mostly by the people you're trying to liberate but also your own troops and their families.

They have nukes and could probably blow up at least a few regional cities. If the regime is threatened they will most likely use them.

South Korea or China or Russia are the only countries with land borders. China and Russia find NK useful to have arround to annoy US. Seoul is within artillerty range of the border.

Building up a new state in it's place is very difficult. Remember how the Taliban took back power about 15 minutes after the US left Afghanistan?

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

NK could not defeat the US or China militarily but it could do quite a bit of damage to SK before anyone could stop them. This is a big reason the US doesn’t intervene.

China is concerned about the population of NK suddenly becoming millions of refugees they’ll need to recuse and deal with. So they would rather the regime not collapse.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago (3 children)

World powers typically let countries do whatever they want to their own citizens, it's only when they do stuff to people of other countries that they get involved.

[–] xavier666@lemmy.umucat.day 28 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Simple and to the point. WW2 didn't happen just because the Nazis were killing Jews, it happened because Hitler decided to barge into other countries.

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[–] Mustard@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Oh absolutely the west would love to effect regime change in North Korea. Morale win, keep the military industrial complex going, grow the economy, get rid of some pesky poors in combat, maybe hoover up some natural resources.

The problem is China, NK is strategically important to them as a source of said natural resources and as a buffer zone against South Korea. Plus lots of slave labour, global economies can never have enough of that.

So yeah, messing with North Korea means messing with China. Despite some real grade A morons in power nobody has been that stupid yet.

[–] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those pesky poors! Always getting in the way of some good imperialism 😤

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[–] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

The short answer is that they have nukes.

[–] Leet@lemmy.zip 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

America was never about helping the people of the world. Many who believe that are mostly victims of propaganda. It’s all about American interests. If it’s in their interest they will give some reason like liberating a people as a pretence to enable military action.

Also to directly answer the question, they have nukes trained on Seoul, have the backing of China which considers it a buffer against western influenced south kr

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 days ago

Can't do anything as long as China wants the situation to stay like this.

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 9 points 4 days ago

Why should we, as the collective west, spend soldiers lifes and money on "liberating" a population that hates us? Oh, and please mind: "Liberating" a country normally also includes killing a shitton of civilians in this process.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 46 points 5 days ago (74 children)

America already tried to save the North Koreans once. It was called the "Korean War".

We bombed them back to the stone age, then permanently isolated them from most of the world. Despite having good reasons for the start of the war, America treated NK like Israel currently treats Gaza.

Even if North Koreans tried to forget that America bombed every hospital, every water purification plant, all the electricity production, etc; the Kim regime's propaganda will make sure they never forget.

If we actually wanted to help those people, the first step would be removal of economic sanctions. There is no clean way to remove dictatorship, but the "Arab Spring" model is much more effective and humane than the "Afghanistan War" model.

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[–] PahdyGnome@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

Short answer is that NK is pretty much self-contained. Occasional Kim might rattle his sabre but no one is too worried about it. Until they start making serious threats to the stability of other countries it's just a case of leave well enough alone.

Sure it sucks what the people of NK have to endure but it's not for other countries to tell them how they should live unless they directly ask for help or start threatening the sovereignty of other countries.

As someone else in the comments mentioned, WW2 wasn't an intervention to protect the German citizens that were being persecuted, it was a reaction to German invasion of other nations.

[–] Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Same reason why no one does anything about the atrocities that happen within the US.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 32 points 5 days ago (60 children)

We all see and hear what goes on over there.

Bullshit.

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[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

iirc one of the issues is that even if things go perfectly on a military front no one is quite sure how to handle and de-program/rehabilitate 25.5 million people a large quantity of which likely lack any skills that would be useful in western economies.

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because that roads leads to war. The moment one country decides it has the authority to overule another's sovereignity because they disagree with what's going on there, it becomes a free for all.

This line of thinking is the very reason why there are two Koreas today, because of two superpowers who thought they knew better and could make a nice profit in the process.

We have a word for this: Colonialism.

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[–] MelonYellow@lemmy.ca 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Also there’s a city of 20 million people like 10 miles from the border that could get nuked just by conventional weapons. Adds complications

[–] rumimevlevi 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Because north korea only make empty threats and the west are hypocrites and never gave a damn,about internstional law, democracy and human rights in other countries

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