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[–] RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 121 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Most common route is atlanta to orlando

Why isn't there high speed rail ????? The distance is only 700km ( 440 miles ) a french TGV can easily go over 300 km/h ( 185 mph ) so a direct line would at most be 2h30, given a plane boarding time it's very competitive, conveninent and at a fraction of the operating cost.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 60 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because of the air industry (and car industry) lobbies.

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 1 month ago

Pretty much the hidden plot for who framed Roger rabbit

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

"The Okefenokee Swamp is a shallow, 438,000-acre (177,000 ha), peat-filled wetland straddling the Georgia–Florida line in the United States. A majority of the swamp is protected by the Okefenokee National Wildlife Refuge and the Okefenokee Wilderness. The Okefenokee Swamp is considered to be one of the Seven Natural Wonders of Georgia and is the largest "blackwater" swamp in North America." -Wikipedia

Add to this Indian Reservation land, National Park/Preserve/ Wildlife Refuge land, the Everglades, other swamp/marshland, etc and you start to see that there's several environmental challenges to a rail system from Georgia to Orlando Florida.

[–] RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 57 points 1 month ago (6 children)

According to gmaps there is a 4 lane highway between atlanta and orlando, I'm pretty sure you can squeeze train tracks there.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Yup. And there are several other 2 lane roads connecting Florida and Georgia to the west of the swamp. A direct line from Jacksonville to Atlanta would be challenging, but that's not what we're talking about here.

Orlando to Atlanta is already a direct land route, and you see Georgia plates in Florida and Florida plates in Georgia regularly.

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[–] RangerAndTheCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If the government or the billionaires really wanted to they’d just do it and fuck the Indians on repeat like every other time, it’s just a talking point and it’s not going to be”ez money” like the keystone pipeline. I wish our government gave two shits about treaties with not only the natives but anybody.

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[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

High speed rail has a massive stigma in the US as hundreds of billions have been spent on failed rail projects (embezzled or just abandoned mostly) and 99% of us have never even seen it in existence. It's like a myth scam sold to us by snake oil salesmen.

Sure, if we fund it again it will really happen this time.

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[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 104 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But how can you expect me to think about things like this, when there's a possibility of someone with genitals that don't look like mine in my restroom?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Have you ever seen a ducks penis? Just be glad whatever genitals you have isn't a ducks penis. It's so fucked up that they don't even GET a bathroom. They just pee in the drinking water. They pee in lakes. Ponds. Your bathtub. They pee anywhere they want, any time they want.

Thats why they all hang out at parks, and the government doesn't stop them. Think about it man. You don't see lions and tigers and bears at the park......because Disney owns the rights to The Wizard of Oz. So you can't see those animals for free! They gotta get locked up in jail and then they call it a zoo, and charge you $22.50 per adult, and $12 per child under 12. Except on Mondays where it's free if you're a local resident of the county.

But they don't do that with ducks. You know what else Disney owns? The Mighty Ducks. Darkwing Duck.

And NOBODY is paying money to see those properties. So they don't arrest the ducks, because theres no profit there. Follow the money. It all leads back to those crazy duck penis's, and nobody wants to admit that Howard the Duck is officially a Marvel character, living in the same MCU as Spiderman, and Ironman, and the X-Men.

THATS why ducks don't have bathrooms, while humans fight over things like trans athletes being allowed to play sports in college, and throwing green dildos at female basketball players to promote cryptocurrencies.

We live in the dumbest timeline.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Except on Mondays where it's free if you're a local resident of the county.

I read this and immediately knew who posted it.

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[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 73 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Could any kind soul provide a TL;DW for those of us who can't watch a video (for whatever reason)?

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 140 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • Tickets for flights are taxed at 7.5% to pay for the FAA
  • Average flight with many passengers pays over $2,300 per flight
  • Private jets don't have tickets to be taxed, are only taxed on fuel
  • Private jets pay an average of about $60 in FAA fees
  • Private jets take up about 7% of the FAA's resources, but only make up a fraction of a percent of the revenue
  • Thus when you pay the FAA fees on your economy class ticket, you're subsidizing operating the FAA for private jet flights, that don't pay enough to cover their costs.
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That’s. So. Fucked.

Is shit like this doesnt radicalize you then you are lost as a human. Unsavablle.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 1 month ago

My man... This bow everything into the US works.

The peasants pay and the rich free ride. He wouldn't be the big man if he had to pay... Would he now?

If only the normie cared to accept these facts as their reality.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Of all the things you think the line is FAA tax, lol

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So not really the flights themselves, just the regulation overseeing the flights.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 1 month ago

Parasite wrote the rules so they can leech.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The FAA gathers taxes per person, not per plane. So a commercial flight has every single passenger paying, while a private jet only pays for a few people. That’s a difference of about $2300 for a commercial flight, vs about $60 for a private jet. Private flights make up about 7% of air travel, but contribute less than a tenth of a percent in taxes. But the air traffic controllers aren’t handling individual people; They’re handling planes. So private jets fund the ATC a lot less than commercial flights, even though they have just as much need.

This video says Canada taxes planes based on weight rating and distance traveled. So larger planes that can carry heavier loads (more people) get taxed more, while smaller planes (private jets) get taxed less. But they’re proportionally paying the same in taxes, instead of the rich people paying less.

[–] tychosmoose@piefed.social 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are long standing problems with this. Not sure of the exact point of the video, but here is an older article with some info: https://www.newsweek.com/why-are-private-jets-being-subsidized-you-and-me-641890

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Corporate jets use almost $1 billion of air traffic control resources, they only contribute around $200 million in fuel taxes, letting commercial passengers pick up their tab.

Generally, corporate jets are exempt from the Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) air transportation tax, a fee on the number of passengers and amount of cargo transported, which funds 95 percent of ATC operations.

The maintenance and improvement of the ATC system's equipment and infrastructure is paid through the Airport and Airway Trust Fund (AATF), which is made up of excise taxes collected on aviation fuel, passenger transport and use of international air facilities.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 1 month ago

This summary should be posted into OP so it gets more eyes balls.

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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 53 points 1 month ago (30 children)

like everything in the 70s and 80s, airline deregulation was a stain that never should have happened

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[–] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Stop vertical video syndrome.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I'm afraid that fight is lost 😞

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[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don't get rich by paying full freight.

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[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 16 points 1 month ago

Damn, that's something else altogether

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ehhhh. I wasn't very impressed with this video. For one thing, it felt more like a compilation of aviation-related clips rather than any kind of meat and potato that actually described the issue.

When they finally did, they started with the parking ramp analogy. If that truly is a good analogy, it's not so much that a "fancy" car would pay less, it's that a smaller car would. Pretty much any parking lot, ferry, etc that can hold different sizes of cars will charge more for a bus or semi truck than a regular car.

They also mention that fuel taxes are higher for small planes. I would love to know more about that, because that really could smooth things over but there aren't really any details (also $2400 for [let's just say] a 150-passenger 737 vs $60 for a private jet may scale similarly per passenger)

Finally, they very briefly bring up how Canada's system is much better because it uses a factor of weight and distance... Wouldn't that just mean those giant airliners pay more?!?

Bonus: let's not kid ourselves into thinking that American Airlines is public transit. It's still a for-profit corporation and if you lower a plane's FAA taxes, it'll directly benefit them.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Per-passenger is a stupid way to charge this tax because the service provided is per-plane.

The math in this video checks out, even when spreading the costs over all the passengers of a larger plane.

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[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago

The fuel rates are currently about $0.22/gallon, and are going up to $1.06/gallon over 5 years, but even that wouldn't put them on par with commercial flights (they pay 0.6% of the fees, but use 7% of resources, $1.06 divided by $0.22 gets you 4.81x the current 0.6%, which is still 2.9% of the fees, while using 7% of FAA resources.)

So even with the current fuel rate increases, private jets would still be paying less than half of what they end up using.

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[–] twisted@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But even if this tax was reduced or went away, what’s stopping the airlines from hiking up the price by that amount? Airlines are looking for any excuse to squeeze out more money from you. In that case you’d just be funding the airline execs’ private flights.

[–] CannedYeet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

How would that even work? Commercial airlines and private jet operators are different entities.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

This is about taxes funding the FAA, and the implied conclusion of the video isn't that these taxes should be removed, but that they should be weighted more heavily towards private flights for the sake of fairness.

[–] ronigami@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How is this fundamentally different from the “my kids don’t go to school so I shouldn’t have to pay property taxes” people? Relax it’s a public good, the FAA. Everyone benefits from a public good.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The fundamental difference is the direction of the redistribution.

The capitalist system inherently distributes from poor to rich. With no state involved, a capitalist system strictly and always devolves into one person (or a very small group) owning everything and everyone else being owned by them. That's why we have states that do have redistribution systems that try to counteract that: We have progressive tax systems that tax the rich more than the poor to fund free (or at least subsidized) public good systems.

To get back to your example: The rich don't need free schools. Even without free public education, they would still be able to afford to send their kids to expensive private schools. A free school program is there to mostly benefit the poor.

Redistribution systems that redistribute from poor to rich on the other hand are inherently broken. The base economic system already does that redistribution from poor to rich, so allowing the rich to mooch even more off the system is not a good idea.

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