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Zoom Changes TOS to Say It Won't Train AI on Your Calls 'Without Your Consent' After Backlash (www.vice.com)

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Zoom Changes TOS to Say It Won't Train AI on Your Calls 'Without Your Consent' After Backlash::Zoom added a line to its terms of use on Monday, after concerns that the company was using calls to train artificial intelligence algorithms went viral.

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[-] jsveiga@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Technically they can collect whatever they need, before encrypting to send from E to the other E, and send, with or without encryption, to their servers. The "E"s are the devices on each end, not necessarily the users mouths and ears.

You can send your typed credit card to that site using SSL encryption, but the number can be captured by a keylogger or a screen capture before being encrypted.

[-] outdated_belated@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So it’s basically “some stuff is E2EE, other stuff is not” which, absent knowing which is which, boils down to no E2EE at all.

[-] jsveiga@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Basically this. I don't assume that just because it's E2EE (or says it's E2EE) it's privacy safe.

Unless maybe if it's my own system on both sides, running Linux, connected through some FOSS VPN I've set up myself, chatting through nc tunneled through ssh with a 100% silent wired keyboard, no monitor, no network, and everything powered off. Inside an underground lead bunker.

That doesn't mean I don't use Teams, Whatsapp, Gmail, etc. I just don't assume it's private.

[-] phx@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

True, but in that case you don't actually have real E2E encryption anymore, as it would need to be sending copies the data to a tertiary destination for processing by AI. The application itself would be the malware (which, TBF is kinda accurate for Zoom anyhow)

[-] jsveiga@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

E2E just means it's encrypted from end to end, iow, it's not decrypted in the middle of the way.

If I was using an E2E communication application, I, for one wouldn't automatically assume that meant it was not eavesdropping.

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