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[-] Godric@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Me and the boys looking for a single communist country that wasn't a totalitarian hellhole:

[-] nsfw_only@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 1 year ago

Me, looking for a single communist country.

I hate being that person but communism has essentially been exclusively used as a campaign promise by corrupt/evil groups attempting to seize power from the population.

Broadly speaking, people don't understand communism and assume it just means "you own nothing and share everything. And starve."

Just like people argue that crony capitalism isn't capitalism, totalitarian communism isn't communism. Corruption is the real problem.

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

The problem isn't really "corruption", but systens which allow and even encourage corrupt actions.

That's why these countries turned into totalitarian hell holes, the system was set up for a small group of people to rule over everyone else.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which is diametrically opposed to what communism is supposed to be. They just stole the name.

[-] Fantomas@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Corruption is the real problem and all systems must develop a tolerance of it to some degree.

It seems to me, when looking at the history of communism, that it has a particularly low tolerance for corruption and that things go to shit quick.

It's not that true communism hasn't existed, it's that it simply cannot exist.

[-] Zoboomafoo@yiffit.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's like a shitty cake recipe that looks good on TikTok, you can tell me how great the cake looks all day, but I saw you add a cup of salt to the batter

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Here I go fixing communism again...

First up, just because it hasn't worked, there's no reason it can't work - or is there? I'm all ears. You missed that bit.

Beyond that, the most common issue is the fact that communism is typically achieved abruptly, with little to no pre-work. If you don't address the centralisation of wealth (and by extension, political influence), of course power is going to collapse back into authoritarian hellishness.

Transition via social democracy, taxing away the inequality, getting the populace on board with world-class social services, providing more services over time, as you transition from worker representation on boards and equity stakes to full worker ownership and workplace democracy over time.

Taking the benefits of the people fuelling the economy - workers, and handing it to wealthy shareholders that contribute nothing as they consolidate into monopolies, creating market failure in an economy fundamentally built on markets makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. There's a better way - it just takes a bit of work.

[-] nadram@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You are correct, but that is because no one has ever applied communism IRL as it should be. It has always come along with a dictatorship type of leadership sadly.

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