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[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I have a GCSE in IT, and a degree in CompSci and... I completely agree. You don't need any of it, relevant experience is worth in the region of 5x-10x for every hiring manager I've known, and for myself.

However, it does cause a bootstrapping problem. Getting that first opportunity can be tough, and there's a good chance that you'll be filtered out at CV vetting time by a recruiter matching keywords and tallying CV content before you even get to a stage of consideration by hiring managers.

And they both have pros and cons. The pros of not doing a degree are mostly fiscal. I'd advise anyone who can afford the overhead of doing a degree to do one still.

tl;dr - lack of education isn't and shouldn't be an obstacle to starting a programming career, but you should still understand what you're up against in the average hiring process and tune your approach accordingly.

[-] lysdexic@programming.dev 11 points 11 months ago

You don’t need any of it, relevant experience is worth in the region of 5x-10x for every hiring manager I’ve known, and for myself.

The only time I had to brush up on data structures and algorithms is when I apply to job ads, and recruiters put up bullshit ladder-pulling trivia questions to pass to the next stage of a recruiting process. It's astonishing how the usefulness of a whole body of knowledge is to feed gatekeepers with trivia questions.

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Absolutely. I generally find any kind of analogous coding tasks - leetcoder style or otherwise - to be a huge waste of time.

It tells you significantly less than a 30 minute conversation will. Someone who doesn't know what they're talking about will out themselves quickly when you get into the nitty gritty of the full software delivery lifecycle.

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