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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm not at all involved in this convo, nor am I a tankie, but I do think it's important to recognize that the USSR was in fact Socialist, even if it had numerous flaws. It's useful for both MLs and non-MLs to learn from, I personally am not an ML and would not want to recreate the USSR, but I do form part of my views on what I want from a future Socialist society based on what happened with the USSR.

As an example, I don't think the structure of a Soviet Republic is sound in and of itself, as it disregards the masses the farther up the chain you go. I'm more in favor of a more decentralized approach.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah - that's fair, and a mistake on my part - they were socialist, but not communist (lack of worker enfranchisement among other gaps).

I think the main issue with the USSR (and probably the majority of "communist" countries) was the failure to put in the pre-work. Without levelling the economic imbalances and setting up a strong welfare state ahead of time, they created imbalanced economic conditions, which were functionally imbalances in political power that led to a collapse into an authoritarian oligarchy - exacerbated by the challenge of trying to retool the economy overnight to keep people fed.

Plenty to learn from, not much to emulate.

this post was submitted on 15 Jan 2024
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