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Ron DeSantis agrees to debate Gavin Newsom on Fox News
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No, not yet.
Despite your hostility, I'll entertain you. You know, a civil person, like someone else that responded to me, would have asked why I thought he was far left.
I liked his covid policy, and many people did too. Keep schools open, protect the vulnerable. The economy kept going, the state grew and his popularity blew up. Even far left folks like AOC wanted to visit to get away from her NY restrictions. He's been good for the Florida natural environment as well as economy.
I think we may have different views on this, schools are locally funded by tax payers. Tax payers should get a say in what books they pay for in schools. If parents think 'gender queer' is too perverted for 3rd graders, I think it's the parents right to have a voice and say in that.
I actually read the portion the media is blowing up about. It's in a ~200 page text book that has one sentence saying that some slaves picked up skills that helped their lives post slavery. It's really not that big of a deal, is truthful and only a problem for people wanting a headline.
As a civil human being I simply believe that conservatives like you do not belong in civil society. It would be beneficial to take modest steps to make the average conservative incapable of purchasing property, being in public without a well informed and civil chaperone, and banned from serving in the armed forces. Such a proposal is in line with rules conservative countries take towards 50% of their population, and thus it is only fair that we adopt mirror policies.
See how fucking little civility matters when fundamental rights are being discussed? Get your head out of your ass and recognize that anger is justified against defenders of fascism like you. You pathetic little weasels probably only supported the 1960s civil rights movement because the white people looked and acted more thuggish than the black activists. Or maybe that still didn't even sway you.
DeSantis actively harassed scientists with police when they tried to report accurate numbers after he withdrew from the national reporting system. Meanwhile, what's the worst policy that Newsom instituted long term? Making people wear masks? I swear, blind fools like you wouldn't recognize authoritarianism if it knocked down your front door. You think economic freedom matters when you live under an oppressive state?
Books should not be banned in a country that supposedly values freedom of speech, period. Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, any fucking book should be allowed in libraries if it has the space for it. Hell, if I lived in Florida I'd push to have the Bible banned with your logic. It promotes and is sponsored by organizations that have an actual history of grooming and abuse. That's not even considering the violent and sometimes lewd content in it.
Even that small quote, if that's all there is which is doubtful, misrepresents the nature of why those skills were given. They were given to milk value out of human beings like cattle. It's like saying cows are fed nutritious foods that help them grow. Yes it's technically true, but saying that by itself ignores the reason that food is given. It focuses on a shiny reflection on a picture of a pile of poop.
DeSantis is a fascist supported by Nazis, who hires Nazis. Defending such a piece of shit is pathetic and disgusting. I know you think you're a sensible conservative, but the standard conservative would rather see liberal democracy destroyed than accept that an asshole like Trump could lose an election fair and square. If you choose to side with Republicans at this point, you're a fascist buddy, congrats.
It's funny that you're probably the first to call people fascists, but this is an objectively fascist view. People who aren't in your political party don't belong in civil society? Hahaha.
Fascist.
Fascist
Because we don't share the same views as you? That's fascist.
Which countries are you talking about?
You're clearly incapable of understanding a satirical joke to prove a point. I don't want any one of those fucking things for anyone, yet that's the sort of shit conservatives are pushing for. They're trying to make it illegal to present as any gender other than the one you were assigned at birth in public, effectively banning trans people from public life.
The other points were things that the most extreme in the American right argue for, and policies already enacted against women in conservative theocracies today. Some of these counties are American allies, like Saudi Arabia, and some are enemies like Iran. As much as you might try to deny it, there is serious overlap between Christian nationalists, and ISIS. Those fascist theocracies are the logical conclusion of the modern American right.
The whole point of that paragraph was to highlight how hard it is to be civil with someone threatening your fundamental rights. I wanted to put you in the shoes of the people your evil ideology oppresses. It shows a fundamental lack of respect to even hold and express those extreme views that DeSantis enacts policy on, so of course I have no reason to show you any respect. It doesn't matter how pretty the box is; what matters is what's inside it.
So you're joking and you think conservatives should be allowed to participate in our society? So your fascist views are in jest?
Conservatives should be legally allowed to participate in society, yes. Of course what I said was in jest. Just because they are legally protected by the law, doesn't mean other people can't use their own freedom of speech and association to call out and disassociate from awful ideas and people. Protection under the law doesn't mean anyone needs to put up with you.
However, not all restrictions are automatically fascist. In fact, even liberal democracies would be wise to not legally tolerate people who were willing to overthrow the system. Much like tolerance, liberty is a social contract, and those who want to take away the liberty of others should not have their own liberty protected.
I'm glad I could help your views progress!
Yeah, just as much as...literally every other individual in the country.
Agreed, however hating someone because they have different views than you and trying to exclude them because of different beliefs says more about you than them.
So you think we should be able to arrest communists, and those wanting to eat the rich?
I disagree, I don't have liberty because other people have a social contract with me, I have liberty because I'm a human being. It's a natural human right. I don't have it because you agree that I have it.
That's the issue isn't it? For much of American history, that has been how anti-communists have operated. Unfortunately, liberalism is a fundamentally contradictory system, with economic liberty and personal liberty being two different values. They oppose eachother, and anti-communists ultimately trampled all over people's personal liberty to reinforce capital interests. As long as liberalism exists, there will always be that dialectic. It's why liberalism is unstable and will always try to evolve into a capitalism supporting authoritarian system, or a socialist system. So if one favors liberalism, they ultimately have to choose which parts of liberalism they favor.
The reason we believe we have natural human rights is because it creates the best possible world for us to live in. Sadly, such an idea is a construct, a useful one that should be upheld for mutual benefit, but a construct none the less. The world is not naturally fair and operates based of of might and violence. This is because people are machines, for nothing else could exist in a self consistent logical universe. This doesn't make you less deserving of rights, it just means you need to fight to keep them because they aren't guaranteed.