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Since my sleepy time edible is kicking in, I'm just going to ask here.
Is there a comprehensive list of all the things Trump has done in office good vs bad compared to all the things that Biden has done good vs bad?
I know some people that still need convincing, but I'm ill-equipped.
Good vs bad is subjective and some people might disagree. For instance, many in Trump's base are happy that he separated children at the border from their parents as a form of medieval punishment to immigrants seeking asylum.
However, here are two pages that I find important. Here is a super tiny list of Biden's accomplishments, keeping it to only 30 for brevity: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/02/joe-biden-30-policy-things-you-might-have-missed-00139046
And since there's so much negative to say about Trump, given that he is a criminal with bankrupt ideas and tons of problems, here is one link that focuses on economics: https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump
I like to summarize Trump's ability as a president with this simple example: Trump is the only president to have ever promised to completely wipe out the US national debt. The reason other presidents don't promise this is because it's stupid, no country should operate without debt. An economist should know that, BTW, and he is constantly remind us that he graduated in Economics from a top school, while he doesn't seem to understand basics of macro economics. Then, once he became president, he added the most debt in a single presidential term in history. So he campaigned on a truly stupid promise to completely wipe the national debt, yet he then added the most debt ever.
That's the kind of president you get when you vote for Trump. As Rex Tillerson said, a man that doesn't seem to comprehend what the adults are talking about and doesn't even understand why the adults want to talk about it. A fucking moron incapable of presidential decisions. That's in addition to all the horrible stuff he brings with his nasty personality, corruption, crimes, and so on.
It is only up until 2021 on the bad things trump has done but it is a long list none the less.
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-atrocities-1-1-056
Well the problem would be that one could argue the "good" and "bad". It would be better to have a trustworthy factual list of things they've done and base our judgements on that.
But it's pretty hard to create such a list unbiased, if even possible. But I think it would help.
Yeah, I saw it on some MAGA web site
Those people are abject morons.
OP is asking for help and I think a side by side comparison list is a very reasonable thing to ask for.
Calling people that would possibly vote along side you, but haven't decided yet, "morons", serves to push them away and to vote against you.
You might not like the idea of engaging people that haven't decided they're voting the same way you are, but I'd encourage you to (without being mean!), unless you want to sleep walk in to another Trump presidency.
We need more people like OP and less people like you.
You engage with people like that long enough and grow tired of it. I used to do that a lot. I'm done. Far too many people aren't going to change and I quit wasting my time, and in a lot of cases they're so nuts I just removed them from my life.
I understand being exhausted. And if you can't do it anymore there's no shame in that.
But please give other, less-tired people an opportunity to try and make things better instead of lashing out in a way that discourages them or alienate those they're trying to persuade.
There are millions of people in this country disengaged from the political process because all they see is the hostility between the 2 sides. They want to avoid hostility, so they avoid politics altogether.
They legitimately don't know how bad Trump is because they disengage as soon as they hear his name or see his face.
They've actively, intentionally engaged in political ignorance because they hate conflict. That's good for Trump's goons, because that instinct to want everybody to get along and work together is counter to their political agenda.
Their ignorance comes from a misguided but sincere goodness, and by insulting them we just make them double-down on their strategy.
We need them to vote. Trump needs them to not vote.
I can't say that I don't suffer political fatigue, but that still doesn't cause me act in a way that actively alienates undecided people from voting alongside me.