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You are very much out of touch. Israel just voted to never recognize a Palestinian state.
Peace has always been made impossible by israel. Not by Palestinians.
Israel's current hard right government voted for that. Other governments have been pro two-state.
And what's your desired position here? Israel voted to not accept peace so we should... eliminate Israel? That's the only conclusion where "Israel has a right to exist" is problematic.
Palestinians really helped make peace possible last October. What is your age?
“Palestinians” didn’t, Hamas did. Many Palestinians hate Hamas, because they are violent and corrupt and in general dangerous to the Palestinian people.
Israel helps prop up Hamas, instead of more realistic “partners for peace,” for exactly that reason. 😕
Also, OP is getting started early on presenting only one side of Harris’s press conference instead of the more notably unusual for a US politician side. Does that mean she’ll break with US policy once she’s in office? Maybe not, but it’s clearly misinformation to report the one half of it without the other.
You mean like the PA? Confidently saying lies doesn't make it true.
This argument is pointless.
Fatah is not considered a terrorist organization by any government. Israel facilitated aid to Hamas. Israeli politicians have sometimes been caught saying explicitly that they like Hamas as an adversary because their violent behavior delegitimizes Palestine on the world stage (leaving unsaid the key corollary “… and that’s more important to me than protecting innocent Israelis from atrocities, let alone Palestinians.”)
That’s the facts, Jack. You can disagree with them if for some reason you want to, but they will remain.
Oh wow you're now justifying israel committing ethnic cleansing in the West Bank because Hamas exists in Gaza. Way to show your hand.
The oppressed do not owe the oppressors civility or safety. Israel is an apartheid colonial state and the people they've been oppressing for 70 years have every right to take up arms.
That's a great argument for Israel to continue to flatten Gaza. Your reasoning will only fan the flames of conflict.
That's what they plan to do regardless. They are intent on genocide and have been for a long time. It's incredible that you're trying to paint Israel as the victim. It's incredible, but not surprising.
I don't really care about this as much as you do. Maybe an asteroid will land in the middle east so it becomes uninhabitable for hundreds of years.
You cared a lot when you were blaming Palestinians for being victims of israeli Apartheid two comments ago.
I blame Palestinians for allowing Hamas to come to power and rule by terror. What do you think is going to happen if they are recognized as a nation state? You'd probably have the same situation you have now. The only people doing anything about Hamas is Israel. If Palestinians took care of their own problems (something thats necessary as a sovereign nation) none of this would have happened. Arafat should have taken the deal that was offered to him in 2000.
I don't blame myself for Trump, and I don't blame the Palestinian people for Hamas. We don't always get to pick who is in power or control their actions once they get there.
Let's be compassionate.
I mostly agree, but you can only let it get so bad. Let's make sure Trump's term was an abberation.
To be clear, I think what's happening in Gaza is outrageous, it's just not an easy situation. Too much religion not enough humanity.
Arafat took the deal. Netanyahu's party assasinated Rabin. Your comment makes no sense.
What's your excuse for israel ethnically cleansing the West Bank by the way?
Arafat rejected Barak's offer and refused to make an immediate counter-offer.[100] He told President Clinton that, "the Arab leader who would surrender Jerusalem is not born yet."[114]
And the 75 years before that the israelis just didn't manage to get to it right. It was at the top of their agenda.
Oh wait Abraham accords.