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Men's Liberation
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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
Related Communities
!feminism@beehaw.org
!askmen@lemmy.world
!mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world
This fundamentally misunderstands the nature of an appeal to authority. The authors of the paper are--presumably--experts in their field. This paper is within their field. Thus, we can induce that this paper is likely correct. This is inductive reasoning. Arguing that it's informal logical fallacy is intentionally misleading.
No.
The authors of the article made a claim. They sourced the claim. Their methodology was checked by peers. The results were published. So this already stands on it's own.
The person saying that it's bullshit has produced nothing other than their own personal beliefs to demonstrate that the authors, the reviewers, and the journal were incorrect. They have given absolutely zero evidence to support their claim, other than assertions that they're not backing up with anything.
Similarly to the above, we can use inductive reasoning to say that a person that has no expertise in this area is like not making a correct claim. Their argument might be free from logical fallacies, and still be entirely wrong because they know fuck-all about the subject. Could the authors be wrong? Of course. But when you balance their expertise, against the respondent's apparent lack of expertise in this field, which is more likely?
Formally, perhaps, sure. I may have phrased that poorly. Let's call it attempting to shut down discussion by appealing to academic credentials instead... had you appealed to the actual research backing the claim, I wouldn't have had an issue with that.
Well done Sherlock! And how useful all of this could have been if in fact we did not know the argument, but fortunately, both OPs claim and the claim of the authors are out in the open here.
...And OP's claims have nothing backing them up other than their say-so. Hence the reason that they can't be taken seriously. The authors of the paper, however, have shown their work, and their work has been checked by peers. OP has done nothing to demonstrated that they have any expertise that would make them capable of forming a critique of the paper, aside from saying "nuh uh!".