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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by root@lemmy.world to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

I've had a few people in my life tell me that they lost X % of their 401k during the (insert financial crisis).

Recently when a friend told me they lost 50% of their 401k in the 2008 time, I said: "Well you didn't really lose anything, because you still had the stocks, and even though they were worth less, you still had the same number of stocks, so you could have waited it out?"

To which my friend replied: "That would be true if the person managing my 401k didn't sell".

I hadn't actually thought about that. I mean personally most of my funds are in age based target funds, but those funds are also managed by someone, right? So is there a way to prevent someone from selling your stocks if the economy tanks? I have a pretty long retirement horizon (still in my 30s) so I can weather the storm for a bit.

Edit: Thank you everyone for the insightful answers. This really helps to clear things up

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Looking to pay off $15k of student loan debt of my partner. It's something we could wipe out with cash on hand if we wanted to relatively quickly. But one of the loans is 4.5%. Am I better off just riding that out but keeping the cash in for that loan in a HY savings account or keep reinvesting it in short term CD's that have a 5% return and to have more liquidity?

There's a part of me that used to really enjoy the piece of mind of being debt free when I paid off my student loans. But now that I'm more financially established and disciplined, I'm wondering if it's better to pay it off slowly.

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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by DeadNinja@lemmy.world to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

What are my options when my provider sends me a bill without submitting a claim with my med insurance, and is ignoring my repeated requests to submit the claim and send me a revised bill post-settlement? How do I prove that I do not owe the billed amount, and I do not owe them anything until they claim it through my insurance first?

Unfortunately, I did encounter something very similar with a previous provider - and I naively decided to wait and watch when their "billing desk" was busy ignoring my requests to submit the claim first - just to get to the day when they sent it to collections. Dealing with collections is another nightmare, and while it went in my favor at that time, I promptly left that provider and switched to another.

So I want to be cautious here this time, because although the "billing desk" of my provider might be a bunch of inefficient a-holes, I don't want to deal with collections again.

Would welcome any insights ! Thanks !

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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by DLSantini@lemmy.ml to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

I had my taxes all sorted(I'm using Tax Slayer) and was just waiting for them to actually submit the return when it's time. I was figuring it wouldn't be until around the 29th, but I just got an email tonight that said the irs had accepted my federal return. Are they accepting returns already, or is that email probably a mistake and/or unrelated? Any ideas?

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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

One paycheck I earned only $77 and the govt withheld 9% of it.

Then I earned $2,000 and they withheld 26% of it.

Is everyone else experiencing this?

The less you earn, the less percentage-wise the govt withholds? The more you earn, the greater percentage they withhold?

At this rate, I fear that if I hypothetically would earn $8,000, they would withhold 100% of it. Do you see where this is going?

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... is it normal/legal for the state I work in to withhold state income tax from my paychecks?

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submitted 10 months ago by Blaze@lemmy.zip to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/10623652

TL;DR: Americans now need to make $120K a year to afford a typical middle-class life and qualify to purchase a home. Minimum.

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Prices of things are becoming absolutely insane. $800+ rent, $30,000 cars, $10 sub sandwiches, etc. It would be nice to do a 3/1 split and cut everything by 2/3. Then we would have $266 rent, $10,000 cars, and $3.33 sub sandwiches. Wages, debts, everything would drop to 1/3 what they are now. It would also make coins useful again since a vending machine soda would be 2 quarters again.

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I just came here to say fuck the US Securities Act of 1933. I am sure it must have some very important reason for existing, but at the moment it is preventing me from doing anything reasonable with my money.

In all seriousness, though, does any US Person who has lived abroad somewhat long term have any experience doing money business in the country of residence?

Specifically, I am trying to put some money (15K) aside for further education in about 7–10 years, and I am looking for an option to at least keep inflation at bay. Every option I look at from a Swiss bank has a clause in the fine print, blaming the US Securities Act of 1933 for not allowing any US Persons to even look at or distribute the document. Archive.org

Is my only option to invest in American banks? I just worry that it will complicate Taxes to a painful degree. I would appreciate any hints in the right direction

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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by lqdrchrd@kbin.social to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

Hi everyone, I recently landed a new job where the base 401(k) contribution for all FTEs is 12% of your salary. This is regardless of your contribution, with no additional match. I realize that this is unusual for most people and it is for me as well. In my last job, I got up to a 6% match so I maxed that out and didn't think on it any further.

I currently contribute an additional 5% on top of the 12% that my employer provides, but got chatting with a coworker who mentioned that they were advised to take that money and, since it was not being matched, put it into the stock market instead. I'm open to learning, but have very little knowledge of stocks, cryptocurrency, or likely any other potential option you may suggest.

For a little extra information, I am in my mid-twenties, earn mid-five-figures/year, have little saved for retirement right now, and am open to any suggestions you may have.

So, what would you do in my situation? Thanks for any replies!

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IRA lump sum? USA (mander.xyz)
submitted 10 months ago by 32sqft@mander.xyz to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

I’ve read that if you have the money up front, investing it as a lump sum on January 1st will produce higher returns more often that investing on a monthly/weekly basis. Is there more to consider in 2024 with our current high interest rates?

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submitted 10 months ago by Pluto@hexbear.net to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/1519974

I'll probably be keeping this video in mind the next time I'm trying to get a new home haha

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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by restingboredface@sh.itjust.works to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

TL:DR author's positing that despite the public narrative we (gen x and millenials) are mostly better off (especially financially) than prior generations and at least partly due to actions from boomers.

Thought this was an interesting read. I don't agree with all of the author's points but figured it would generate good discussion here.

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submitted 10 months ago by Pat12@lemmy.world to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

I moved countries a few years ago and am building up my credit score from scratch. I'm cognizant of good practices to build up my credit score like paying my credit card on time. My credit score dropped 10 points in the last month but I don't know why. I've increased my spending on my card because of Christmas and travelling but make the payments right away (typically same day) so that there is not a large balance on my card at the end of the month. The total spending for the month is less than 30% of my credit card limit.

I don't have any other form of credit like loans. Any suggestions why there was a drop?

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submitted 11 months ago by Five@slrpnk.net to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml
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Looking for a brokerage with functional, individual API access to, at least, account positions, balances, and equity/fund/bond prices. Used to be happy with TDA, but they got bought by Scwab, whose API has been "pending" for six months.

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submitted 11 months ago by Blu@sopuli.xyz to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

TL;DR: Credit union account rates low, I moved, and even though the app and co-op network are great, not sure if I should leave.

So, I've been with a certain credit union for years. But, to be honest, compared to some other credit unions out there (or even banks), it has pretty lackluster rates across the board.

I moved recently and that's given me cause to think about closing it, despite the great app and co-op network basically working regardless of where I am.

0.2% on checking, 0.45% on savings, and about 0.9% on a money market account with a $1000 minimum.

It's got great customer service. I'm on a first name basis with the people there, but I feel like, even with just checking and emergency savings, I'm leaving money on the table.

Is it worth leaving for some of those advertised 4 and 5% checking and savings accounts other places offer?

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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

Here's an archived version of the page.

What follows is largely a reaction to analysts predicting a recession and giving advice on how to adjust your investing strategy. The TL;DR here is: don't, they get it wrong more than they get it right.

Among PF enthusiasts, there's a saying that goes something like this: analysts have predicted 20 of the last three recessions.

Here's a chart for the S and P 500 long term after inflation. As you'll notice, long downward trends are quite rare, and the general trend is upward. In general, you can expect 6.5-7% long term after taking out inflation (~10% before inflation) if you buy and hold a broad stock market index fund. It seems almost every year someone calls for a recession, and this year is no exception. People were calling for recessions staring in 2015 or so, and look how that turned out.

Finance pundits and blogs like saying outlandish things like "recession will happen this year, liquidate stocks and buy X, Y, and Z," and if you're lucky, they'll throw some fancy charts up to make you think they know what they're talking about. But just know that all of this is for attention, they make money through ads or airtime, and some will try to sell you a book or something. The worst ones do a pump and dump scheme where they'll invest in security X, hype it up, and then sell when there's a bump in prices and average investors are left holding the bag.

Everyone seems to think they have some system for beating the market, but few professional fund managers manage to beat the index they benchmark their fund with, and even fewer can do it consistently:

Across all domestic actively managed equity funds, 88.4% underperformed their respective benchmark over the last 15 years, according to an analysis of the S&P SPIVA report.

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More than 80% of large-cap funds underperformed the S&P 500 over the last five years. In 2019, 79.98% of large-cap funds underperformed compared to the S&P 500, which was just a hair better than the five-year average.

So if you buy a large cap index fund, you'll do better than 80% of professional fund managers over 5 years, and you'll outperform nearly 90% of them over 15 years. So don't listen to their nonsense about changing allocation during a recession (or even whether there will be a recession) because you're statistically better off ignoring it.

To really drive it home, let's look at the linked article about Betty, the world's most unlucky investor, who invested only at the worst possible times (just before every major recession) since the 1980s:

Even though she picked the worst six moments since the 1980s in which to invest, she made an average profit over the next five years of 20% and an average profit over 10 years of 100%. She doubled her money. Despite her disastrous, terrible timing, she was in the black after five years on four occasions out of six, and in the black after 10 years 10 times out of 10.

Today, even though her total cash costs from those six investments totaled just $3,500, her portfolio is worth $17,500. That’s more than five times her investment. And that’s even factoring in losses this year, which have seen the global stock market — and Betty’s portfolio — fall 22%.

Just think of how much better she could've done if she had invested consistently, which means she would've bought at the lows and middles instead of just the highs.

If you instead listen to the pundits, you're likely to buy high (you'll miss the bottom, I guarantee it) and sell low (you'll sell early or late). Do what has worked well historically and buy and hold a diversified portfolio.

I don't know if a recession is coming, but I do know it'll change nothing about my investing strategy, other than perhaps how much I can invest. If you're nervous about the economy, make sure your emergency fund is funded and stay the course with your investing strategy, whatever your desired asset allocation is.

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The central banks of the world are guiding us to a perfect crash landing. Interest rates have remained elevated in an attempt to curb the inflation brought on by printing excessively during 2020 and 2021. This strategy has actually worked by reducing US inflation from over 9% at the beginning of the year to around 3.5% now, according to governmyth numbers anyway. However, that does not mean prices are going 'back down' as our president would wish. A reduction in inflation does not bring prices down, it makes prices increase slower. Reducing prices is called "deflation" and is quite different.

What does all this have to do with a recession? Well, rates determine how much interest to charge on borrowed money such as car loans, mortgages, business loans, etc. With the one, two punch of inflation hurting consumers and higher interest rates hurting businesses people are either being put out of work or not receiving raises and bonuses to make the budget balance.

Consumers must now prioritize what is important such as food, shelter, etc and reduce spending on unnecessary items such as Netflix, Spotify, etc. Remember that this is all caused by the excess money printing done in 2020 and 2021.

The only way to hold what wealth you do have is through a limited supply asset such as gold, silver, etc. These have a limited quantity and a well-known track record of retaining their value. These assets don't go up in value so much as they hold their value as the fiat currency they are compared to looses it's value. Put in simpler terms, an ounce of silver today is worth the exact same as an ounce of silver in 1913 at the inception of the fed. However, the dollar has lost 99% of its value over that same timeframe.

Inflation is a hidden tax against every single person who holds a fiat currency as it is guaranteed to be worth less tomorrow than it is today.

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[US] End of year PF tasks (www.kiplinger.com)

I like to review my financial situation near the end of the year to prep for tax season, give to charity, etc. For any who cannot access the article or are too lazy, here are the things they recommend:

  1. Tax loss harvesting
  2. Contribute to retirement accounts
  3. Convert IRA to Roth
  4. Reassess risk tolerance
  5. Review RMDs - only for 73+
  6. Charitable contributions
  7. Fund accounts for dependents

I check most of these, but more importantly I look at the new limits for 401k and IRA, as well at HSA limits for the upcoming year.

Is there something you like to do financially at the end of the year?

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submitted 11 months ago by mapiki@lemm.ee to c/personalfinance@lemmy.ml

Hi all -

I need reassurance that having 60-80k in cash isn't wild if we plan to buy/look at buying a home in the next 2-3 years. We're in a DINK lifestyle in a LCOL area and are easily saving $2k+ towards specifically a down payment per month.

Currently: 8k is in a Vanguard account and has been invested in index funds for about 2-3 years now 10k is in treasury funds 5k is abroad in a high interest account that's locked for about another year from a grandparents inheritance 5k is in a CD making ~5% APY

I'm thinking that as we start building up more I'll be trying to keep opening 3-12 month CDs on a regular basis as long as rates stay at 5%

But I'm super risk tolerant and part of me sees all the cash laying around as a waste when I could add to the Vanguard account with more stocks. Mostly because until now I haven't had a real timeline for buying and it always seemed so far in the future that keeping it in stocks made sense.

Can someone help me think through what I'm giving up with both options? 5% isn't bad for now but I don't think rates are going to stay so high forever either.

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