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A buddy of mine told me about Wealthfront recently and they’re 5% money market account rates.

Growing up in a world where savings accounts and even CDs never approached more than 2%, the rates on this new thing blew me away.

Free money is great, and I’d love to take advantage of these rates, but the only cash I have currently is the emergency fund I’m trying to build.

Anyone have thoughts on if putting an efund in this kind of service is a bad idea? Not sure if it’ll be liquid enough if a major expense comes up.

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Hello everyone,

As you all know, /r/PersonalFinance is 99% of people asking questions on how to deal with a specific personal financial issue.

We currently don't have this kind of people here for the moment. I saw someone the other day in !relationship_advice@lemmy.world on a relationship/finance issue that could have posted here, but in the end I guess they got their advise there.

We are getting more and more traction (42th most active community this week on this listing that excludes LW for technical reasons: https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active).

Feel free to ask advice if you need any, the community seems more than happy to help.

In the meantime, I'm going to post still another article about GenZ and trading.

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Legislation known as the Credit Card Competition Act, first introduced in Congress in 2022, is described by its sponsors as encouraging “competition in electronic credit transactions.” But if lawmakers end up passing the measure, opponents say it could also torpedo the rich rewards and perks that cardholders have enjoyed for years.

“Will consumers lose? Probably,” wrote Brian Riley, director of the credit advisory service at Mercator Advisory Group, in an August 2022 post to the Mercator blog. “Their reward programs will dry up, just as they did with debit cards.”

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Domestic airfare fell 2% to an average of $267 per ticket in August. The plateau will last through mid-September, but then begin to rise as the holiday season approaches, peaking in late November or early December.

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Hello! I am looking for some suggestions on supplemental income while I am job hunting. Unfortunately I had to leave my career unexpectedly due to incessant racism and discrimination.

I have looked into DoorDash (doesn’t seem all that worth it when you start doing the numbers), Fiverr, and I’m currently looking into maybe selling on Etsy.

My main concern is how competitive the current job market is and how long job searches are taking. I would like to at least have a trickle of something coming in.

Thank you for any suggestions in advance!

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Baby boomers anticipate that 47% of pre-retirement earnings will be replaced by Social Security, according to results of an annual survey from the Nationwide Retirement Institute. But the reality for someone making what the Social Security Administration considers the average wage in recent years, about $60,000, is more like 37%, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. And the percentage drops as household income rises.

Alternate: https://archive.ph/Hx1PM

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About 36% of U.S. adults say they have less than $1,000 in their savings accounts.

For analysis of the political views of that media: https://ground.news/article/over-half-of-americans-say-theyre-not-even-close-to-financial-freedom

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/12162

Why? Because apparently they need some more incentive to keep units occupied. Also, even though a property might be vacant, there's still imputed rental income there. Its owner is just receiving it in the form of enjoying the unit for himself instead of receiving an actual rent check from a tenant. That imputed rent ought to be taxed like any other income.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.today/post/568354

I like adding things to my icecream, usually peanut butter and frozen fruit. Got to thinking that if I added oats I could actually increase the volume without impacting the flavour all that much (I like oats). I could probably use floured starches or something like that.

Are there other things you "fill"? I think juice + water is the most familiar example. What about something like adding 20% dehydrated milk to fresh milk? Substituting some butter for oil?

Sometimes I find when I'm making my own stuff it ends up being more expensive than buying the packaged variety from the store, but maybe fillers are a way to balance that out.

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More than 1 in 4 car shoppers in Texas and Wyoming have committed to paying more than $1,000 a month, and experts say it is due to the high volume of large truck purchases in those states, according to a report by auto site Edmunds.

More than 1 in 5 shoppers in seven other states — Colorado, Kansas, Louisiana, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota and Utah — are also forking over more than $1,000 for their vehicles each month.

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Following the credit card thread, I've learned that some people use credit card points and miles to pay for hotels, that seems pretty interesting.

Children toys being second hands comes to mind too.

What are your ideas?

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3560407

Considering how crazy expensive accommodations have become the last couple of years, concentrated in the hands of greedy corporations, landlords and how little politicians seem to care about this problem, do you think we will ever experience a real estate market crash that would bring those exorbitant prices back to Earth?

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I know this might just reflect financial culture differences across countries, but let's give it a try

Edit: as a clarification, I meant credit card compared to debit, not to cash

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Hello everyone,

As you may have noticed, our current single mod has been inactive for a while, and the description still mentions a wiki we currently don't have.

Would anyone be interested into moderating this community? I'm currently quite busy with a few others so I would rather not volunteer for this one.

Due to the low level of posts, the reports are probably limited, so the task should not take more than a few minutes per week.

Once we'll identify someone, we can use the !community_requests@lemmy.ml to request it

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/3527160

Even though prices have shot up for things like almond, soy, and oat milk, the size of refrigerated versions have always been 1.89L.

But I noticed some strangeness on the Walmart (Canada) website while building my grocery list where one brand, that is priced less than another brand, had a higher cost per 100ml.

As I looked into it, I noticed that several varieties have gone from 1.89L to 1.75L.

I'm getting real sick and tired of this.

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A Vanguard video (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1nprZjV_6FM) refers to 4 budgeting methods

  1. the envelope method
  2. the pay yourself first method
  3. 50/30/20 method
  4. zero based budget method

Which one is your favourite?

Edit: non-text version with a 5th method: https://www.lendingtree.com/student/simple-budget/

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Intro

When it comes to paying off debt, the most important thing is to get your budget in order to free up cash to actually make the payments. So if you're not there yet, stop here and work on getting your budget in order.

In this post, I'll go through the two major debt repayment strategies with their associated pros and cons, and at the end I'll discuss one potentially surprising case where it's not so cut and dry which is better. In general, these strategies attempt to optimize how quickly you pay off your debts.

How does interest work

In general, your interest rate is a yearly rate, but interest usually accrues monthly (or daily for credit cards; more on that later). So let's say your interest rate is 12%, this means your monthly rate is ~1%, so every month you'd pay 1% of whatever money you owe in interest (so $10 for every $1000). It's a little more complicated than that (i.e. APR vs APY), but that's close enough for our purposes.

For this post, I'm going to be using the following for illustration purposes:

  • credit card A: $1000 @ 24%
  • credit card B: $500 @ 12%
  • debt repayment of $200/month
  • minimum repayment: 1% or $50, whichever is greater

So in the first month, here's how much interest we'll be paying:

  • credit card A: $1000 * (24%/12) = $20
  • credit card B: $500 * (12%/12) = $5

Since we have a minimum payment of $50 for each card, the rest will go toward reducing the debt. So after the first month, if we only make minimum payments, the debts will be:

  • credit card A: $1000 - $30 = $970
  • credit card B: $500 - 45 = $455

For the examples below, I'll be making extra payments with the payment, after interest accrues. I'll also assume interest accrues as of the balance at the end of the month, not daily.

Grace period

The most common type of higher interest debt is credit card debt, and usually these rates (in my area) are between 10-30%, usually >20%. Credit cards are a bit special in that they usually (but not always!) have a grace period where you won't pay any interest if you always pay your balance on time, but as soon as you fail to pay your statement balance even once, you start accruing daily interest on all balances (including new purchases) until the entire debt is repaid. So credit card interest is especially insidious because whether you pay interest can change each billing cycle.

This grace period can be violated in a number of ways, and each card may be a little different there. In general, cash advances start accruing daily interest immediately, balance transfers have a separate rate from normal purchases, and payments usually go toward the highest interest portion first (so usually toward new purchase).

The grace period will be relevant later, but I'll be ignoring it for now.

Avalanche Method

In short: highest interest first.

Assuming your debt repayment stays constant, this is the mathematically optimal repayment strategy and will save you the most interest.

One way of conceptualizing this is to find the average interest rate. We do this by adding up all the debts, divide each debt by the total debt, multiply that by the interest rate, and then sum that. That's a little complicated in text, so here's a walk through of how that works:

  1. $1000 + $500 = $1500 - $1500 total debt
  2. for debt A: $1000 / 1500 * 24% = 16%
  3. for debt B: $500 / 1500 * 12% = 4%
  4. average debt: 16% + 0.04 = 20%

If you don't trust my math, here's an online calculator.

So on average, we're paying 20% interest on our debts. If I paid down half of debt A, I'd instead be paying 18% average interest. If I paid down all of debt B, I'd be paying 24% average interest.

Let's walk through our example, every extra penny goes toward the highest interest debt.

  1. interest paid: $1000*(24%/12) + 500*(12%/12) = $25; card A balance: $1000*(1 + 24%/12) - $150 = $870; card B balance = $500*(1 + 12%/12) - 50 = $455
  2. interest paid: $21.95, card A balance: $737.40; card B balance: $410.31
  3. interest paid: $18.85, card A balance: $602.15, card B balance: $365.10

Total payoff time: 7 months
Total interest: $110.70

Snowball Method

In short: lowest balance first.

The goal here is to eliminate as many debts/minimum payments as possible to reduce the number of debt payments. This can be a huge psychological boost which can encourage people to cut more from the budget to accelerate debt repayment.

Let's walk through our example:

  1. interest paid: $25, card A balance: $970.00, card B balance: $355.00
  2. interest paid: $22.95, card A balance: $939.40, card B balance: $208.55
  3. interest paid: $20.87, card A balance: $868.82, card B balance: $60.64qq`

Total payoff time: 7 months
Total interest: $113.85

Spreadsheet

Here is a spreadsheet I've made that details the simple case above, as well as a more complicated case.

Both cases are intended for illustrative purposes only, I don't recommend using this sheet for anything more than a high-level understanding of snowball vs avalanche debt repayment strategies.

Corner case - unexpected expense

The second tab in that spreadsheet goes through a corner case where snowball could actually be more advantageous. Here are the assumptions:

  • one high interest, high balance card
  • multiple lower interest, low balance cards
  • unexpected expense higher than cash flow can handle happens 3 months after debt repayment starts
  • cards have a grace period on new purchases

In this scenario, snowball is actually superior mathematically for a few months after that unexpected expense happens, and then falls behind over the longer term.

The takeaway here is that if you have less predictable expenses, you may be better off with the debt snowball method and/or having a larger emergency fund. The general advice when doing debt repayment is to not make additional purchases on existing credit cards so as to not add to the problem, but life happens.

Conclusion

If you'll look at both of my examples, the total interest paid isn't that different. If you want to play with the numbers yourself with a better designed tool, check out unbury.me and enter all of your debts, interest rates, and minimum payments. I ran my above example through that website, and the total interest paid is <$100 different between the two methods, and both would be finished around the same time.

In general, debt avalanche is usually the optimal strategy, but use what works for you. For me, debt avalanche is the way to go because I hate leaving money on the table more than I like seeing monthly payments disappear, but the opposite is also completely sensible. That said, the more debt you have, the higher the difference between avalanche and snowball, so run the numbers before deciding.

If you'd like more posts like this, please let me know. I'd like to get more active in this community, but I don't know how technical people here would like me to get.

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Americans’ credit card balances rose briskly in the second quarter, hitting a sobering milestone of more than $1 trillion, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported this month. Credit cards are the most prevalent type of household debt, New York Fed researchers wrote in a blog post, and saw the biggest increase of all debt types. More than two-thirds of Americans had a credit card in the second quarter, up from 59 percent roughly a decade earlier, the researchers found. And, they noted, card balances were more than 16 percent higher in the second three months of this year compared with a year earlier.

Alternate: https://archive.ph/5bdz1 (NYT)

Alternate: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/credit-cards/credit-card-debt-hits-new-high/

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Hello everyone,

One of the most common budgeting advice is to build an emergency funds, that should cover 3 to 6 months of regular expenses, and to only use that money in the case you lose your main source of income.

Another name for that kind of savings is "f*** you money", as it largely reduces the leverage your employer has over you. Have you ever experienced that?

It occurred to me in one of my previous jobs. It was shortly after covid, a period of time when I had been working from home, making as much as usual, but without all the usual expenses (eating out, travelling, having drinks, etc.).

It came out that just after covid, while we had all been working perfectly fine (there was even a productivity peak in all the metrics), the top management decided that it was time to go back to the office. Nobody really understood why among the employees, especially as everyone had been working so well.

It was the 3rd or 4th of January, I had just spent Christmas and NYE with my family and friends back in my hometown. Then I had a meeting with my director, and at the end of the meeting, he scolded me that I was not in the office, but working from home.

Earlier in my career, I would have probably said that I was sorry, and that I would be in the office the next day. But at this moment, I knew that I had enough savings to cover for several years of my regular spending. I didn't say anything, but in my mind, it was crystal clear that I wouldn't be part of this company much longer.

A few days, during my evaluation with my director, I told him that I was quitting. He was shocked, he could not understand. Was it about the money? The responsibilities? I didn't even try to explain, because I know that the policy was pushed by the CEO, and he is known to be incredibly stubborn. In the end, I just told him that I wanted a change of scenery. I didn't even had another job signed yet (I wanted to take a break from work for a few weeks). He probably thought that I needed my job so much that I would put up with this non-sense.

It felt liberating, and it would definitely not be possible without that emergency funds. I didn't really even had to touch it, but just knowing that it was there, ready to be used if needed, made such a big difference.

What is your "f*** you money" story?

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i'm a web developer by day, but i recently started doing some side gig work via rover because i legitimately love dogs (and i wanted a bit of extra spending money for my own dogs' care). i'd love to hear what other folks do when they need a bit more cash flow.

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The 30-year fixed-rate mortgage averaged 7.09% in the week ending August 17, up from 6.96% the week before. Rates have been above 6.5% since the end of May and climbing higher since mid-July. This week’s average rate is the highest the 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage has been since April 2002 when it was 7.13%.

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Trying to get to know the community a bit more.

If you want to share figures (you don't have to) you might probably want to use a throwaway account, better safe than sorry.

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