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what's with the anti-left sentiment on slrpnk?
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If I had to wager a guess, it likely more of a backlash against .ml and hexbear more than anything, which are unfortunately the main ambassadors of "leftist" ideology on the fediverse. These instances legitimately make leftists look bad, to the point where it actually feels like it has come all the way back around as self parody.
Legit, hexbear feels like a goddamn 4chan psyop
It is. A big tell is their vernacular. It's not leftists. It's someone else pretending to be.
Another one is their interests or hobbies. They do not talk about these topics the same way the people they pretend to be because they are not the people they pretend to be.
I've been chronically online enough to be able to get a sense of it. They often slip. Some times it's so obvious it's a kid who is trying to copy the more adept ones.
A lot of minority subreddits on reddit are so fake too. It's 21st century blackface minstrel shows. Easy to dupe casual users. If you're chronically online long enough you can tell.
ETA: This is conspiratorial as the people who get caught all the time forgetting to switch their alt accounts. Can't reply to the mod for some reason so I guess I'm done here.
Idk man, i spend a lot of time on tumblr and have for years - and some people have spent so long in the performative space that they're actually that bad. Arguably they're not actual leftists, just (badly) aping the behaviour they think is required for approval, but that's still different from malicious intent
They don't hide it on their own boards. The right wing spaces. It's a real thing they do.
The two things we're talking about are not mutually exclusive. There are people who spent too much time in those "performative space". They get incited by agitators too. It's a clusterfuck.
There is no evidence for this and !anarchism@slrpnk.net is not the space for conspiracies like this.
I'd argue Lemmygrad is worse than .ml
.ml has people on it that aren't into politics or that discuss other things, due to having been the largest instance when the Reddit api fiasco happened. Many people choose to stay there simply out of laziness or reasons other than ideology.
Lemmygrad and Hexbear are, on the other hand, explicitly political and have certain ideologies as themes which inherently create conflict/discourse with people of other ideologies.
On that note, is slrpnk open registration now? It wasn't when I joined Lemmy, .ml was the only one I could join at that time.
We focus on quality over quantity, so membership on SLRPNK requires you answer questions and wait for your application to be reviewed by a human. I don't know how you define open registration, but that's been our policy for over a year now.
Oh, that's cool! I think they were fully closed when I tried to join due to the huge influx of users, but it's a very fair method of admitting new users then!
As far as I know it is
Good point!
Hexbear is good and most of the negative things people have to say about it are completely made up
It's super rare to have a pleasant interaction with hexbear users. And I think thats something they are proud of. To me this just really sad, because how exactly are you spreading your propaganda effectively when everyone just thinks you are annoying?
Also on hexbear users of other instances or other instances as a whole get heavily misrepresented and there seems to be no good faith when interacting with other communities that are not closely aligned in their political stance. (Of course hexbear itself also suffers from lots of misrepresentation, which probably contributes a lot to their in group / out group thinking)
Hexbears don't really make any attempt to hide the fact that they love trolling and brigading. Even the places where I align with their general ideology, I find them pretty obnoxious and juvenile. Contrary to the other user, I actually struggle to imagine how anyone who has spent any time around them could not find them annoying. The emoji spam alone is pretty cringe, and that's before you even get to the weird dunning Kruger thing they have going on with their politics.
In my experience that is because it's super rare for liberals to approach socialists in good faith. They don't pleasantly interact with bad faith trolls, with transphobes, with homophobes, with racists, with misogynists, with fascists, and so on. If you were to approach them in good faith you would find nothing but pleasant interaction.
Idk about completely. They'll just straight up slobber on Putin's knob and it simply doesn't make sense without the community being compromised by a troll farm somewhere.
Xi at least has some deniability to his fascism and a hope of Da Revolushion turning a corner at some point. Putin's literally just a fascist invading his neighbors out of rank imperialism.
Yeah, this is the completely made up stuff I was talking about thanks for the demonstration. If you think anyone on hexbear is a fan of Putin you have obviously never opened the site even once.
Also if you were being homophobic like this on hexbear you'd be banned, which is the correct position to take
What part of that is homophobic?
Referring to sucking dick in an insulting way is a very common form of homophobia. The implication being that sucking dick is bad and shameful and is inherently insulting.
Sure if you completely disregard context you could interpret it as homophobic, but the way they used the insult was only to imply hexbear users are submissive towards Putin to the point of performing sexual favors for him. Not saying I agree with it, just trying to clarify and point out how you're being a bit over-zealous.
Funny how it's always sucking dick that is used pejoratively like that, just coincidentally of course.
Does putin not have peepee?
If Putin was AFAB I'm willing to accuse Hexbear of being clitsucking simpletons instead.
Your disagreement with @BlackDragon isn't going to be resolved by finding better insults. It's cringe.
Instead of doubling down on sexually derogatory language that can easily be interpreted as homophobic and misogynist, open your receipts drawer.
Who? Sounds like some guy complaining about people being mean to fascists and fascist collaborators.
If a 'fash-adjacent' person is telling you to not use homophobic language, you're probably doing something wrong.
Or I'm bi and don't care what hets think is homophobic compared to people that support a dictator genociding queers.
I've given you a 7 day ban for trolling. See you around.
Arguably just as misogynistic as it is homophobic, if not more so.
Homophobia is often rooted in misogyny, so...
I would like to encourage you to use the report function if you see things that you think are homophobic or in any other way hateful towards an oppressed group. Might be that the mods of the instance / community do not agree, but atleast then you will know their position and how much it aligns with yours.
We prefer good faith discussion in !anarchism over trolling and flame wars. Please reconsider your approach to this challenge to your ideas.