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The hamburger did not originate in Germany, despite its name. While the exact origins are debated, it is pretty well agreed that it was created in the US sometimes in the late 19th to early 20th century.
The closest connection to germany that some try to make is an entirely different dish that uses ground beef or pork, which is such a loose connection that you might as well say it originated in Egypt as they were the first civilization to make bread.
The problem is that the origin is "hamburger ~~beef~~ steak" which is the beef patty that came from Germany. This was combined with a sandwich to create a "hamburger sandwich". Over time, the sandwich part was dropped and now here we are.
It wasn't even really a patty as we know it in burgers, it was more like a slice of breakfast sausage.
I'd argue if you put breakfast sausage on a bun it adequately fits the definition of a burger.
I guess that's true. It's more the distinction of the paddy being formed by hand or being sliced out of a big roll of sausage.
And sausage is a completely different thing than ground beef formed into a patty.
There's pork burgers, sausage is just ground meat (generally pork) that's been seasoned and sometimes encased/preserved.
You happened to ask this while I was in a smaller class at my college so I was able to start a "civil discussion" over whether a Sausage McMuffin was a burger.
I wouldn't call a slice of sausage a patty, so I disagree
I cannot tell you why, though, and I make my own sausages and burgers by hand so like, I should know why?
Yeah, that's a breakfast sandwich. Why? Idk.
No, that's a mcmuffin, or a breakfast sandwich.
I mean if you wanna get technical a burger is just ground meat between two halves of a bun. Therefore one could argue a McMuffin is also a burger
Nope.
A burger is ground beef patties between two halves of a bun. Any other meat is a sandwich. The reason is that "burger" is short for "hamburger," which is the term we use for ground beef, so by definition, a burger is beef.
Veggie burgers are in a weird place, because they should be sandwiches, but since they're intended to be a drop-in veggie substitute, we call them burgers. But they're always prefixed with a qualifier, like "veggie burger" or "bean burger."
Wikipedia- Hamburger
Note that "typically" and "always" are of different meanings. I've made sliders with ground pork before, what is a slider if not a small burger?
A burger is a sandwich with a patty made of ground meat. That meat can be beef, pork, turkey, hell, even chicken if that's your sort of thing. And, like you said, veggies.
It's really pretty uncommon to call a chicken sandwich or a sausage breakfast sandwich a "burger." The term comes from the meat inside of it, hamburger, so generally speaking, other fillings will be called a "sandwich" instead of a "burger." I guess you could call those things burgers, but it would be weird.
And no, a "slider" isn't a "small burger" (it can be), it's a sandwich. A burger is also just a sandwich, so calling a specific sandwich a "burger" vs a "slider" means two different things, a "burger" is larger and generally has ground beef (but occasionally veggies or similar), and a "slider" is a small, usually round sandwich.
No, the "hamburger steak", mentioned in the Oxford dictionary in 1802, was roasted and salted minced beef meat. So pretty close to the present day patty actually.
The story I heard was that it came to America with Russian Jewish immigrants who took transatlantic ocean liners from Hamburg, which is where it got its name from. (The Jewish origins are important as apparently the beef patty we know originated as a way of prepreparing kosher meals for travelling through areas where options were unknown.)