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Yes and newer models arent just raw LLMs, but specifically models designed to reason and deduct and start chaining LLMs with other types of models.
It's not dehumanizing to recognize that alien intelligence could exist, and it's not dehumanizing to think that we are capable of building synthetic intelligence.
I feel you're wasting your time here. Some people seem to be under the impression it's the year 1990 or 1950 and we're talking about markov chain chatbots. The stochastic parrot argument would certainly apply there. But we're talking about something else here.
And it's also a fairly common misconception that AI somehow has to be intelligent in the same way a human is. And by using the same methods. But it really doesn't work that way. That's why we put the word "Artificial" in front of "Intelligence".
But this take gets repeated over and over again and I don't really know why we need to argue about how maths and statistics are a part of our world, how language and perception work and who is dehumanizing themselves... The scientific approach is to define intelligence, come up with some means of measuring it, and then do it... And that's what we've done. We can get rid of the perception part of language. We can measure how "intelligent" entities can memorize and recall facts, combine them, transfer and apply knowledge... That's not really a secret... I mean obviously it seems to be misunderstood or hyped or whatever by lots of people. But we also (in theory) know some of the facts about AI and what it can and can not do and how that relates to the vague concept of intelligence.
Given the inherently simplistic nature of a community called 'fuck ai', I assume what I'm saying will be unpopular, but there's always some people genuinely open to reason and rational discussion.
How "rational" is it to come into a community called, literally, "Fuck AI" and expect pro-AI messaging to be desired and engaged with?
Is "rational" now a synonym for its opposite, like how "literally" now means both itself and "figuratively"?
They said rational. Not pro-AI. And I mean why not? This is a community dedicated to talking about AI, so you could expect people having a basic understanding of what they're talking about. This could also be a community dedicated to blind hate. I'm not sure. But what I'm sure about is, there are some people with some level of insight, maybe even from the field or who have this as a hobby, who say "fuck AI" for the impact on society and climate it has, or for it being used against the people in some way or another... So yeah. I'm opposed to the blind hate. I'd rather hate it for the facts. And that's the reason I also advocate for "rational".
Which part of "Fuck AI" was unclear? There's only two words there (well, a word and an initialization if you want to get picky). Which one of those was unclear?
There's a difference between understanding how nuclear weapons work and opposing them because of their consequences, and sticking your head in the sand and insisting that nuclear weapons couldn't possibly work.
I suggest you grow the fuck up.
Interesting. I had the same advice in mind for you. Amazing how that works.
Buh-bye idiot guy.
The "AI" part seems to be unclear to some people. That's why we're having this argument. And I think I have a rough understanding, but the "fuck" part is unclear to me, because I have nuance when I f***... There are different ways of doing it, not just one. So I'd say it's both words.