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[-] TrustingZebra@lemmy.one 33 points 1 year ago

You're the guy 1984 was talking about...

[-] wim@lemmy.sdf.org 58 points 1 year ago

Got to agree with @Zushii@feddit.de here, although it depends on the scope of your service or project.

Cloud services are good at getting you up and running quickly, but they are very, very expensive to scale up.

I work for a financial services company, and we are paying 7 digit monthly AWS bills for an amount of work that could realistically be done with one really big dedicated server. And now we're required to support multiple cloud providers by some of our customers, we've spent a TON of effort trying to untangle from SQS/SNS and other AWS specific technologies.

Clouds like to tell you:

  • Using the cloud is cheaper than running your own server
  • Using cloud services requires less manpower / labour to maintain and manage
  • It's easier to get up and running and scale up later using cloud services

The last item is true, but the first two are only true if you are running a small service. Scaling up on a cloud is not cost effective, and maintaining a complicated cloud architecture can be FAR more complicated than managing a similar centralized architecture.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 12 points 1 year ago

You are paying aws to not have one big server, so you get high availability and dynamic load balancing as instances come and go.

I agree its not cheaper than being on prem. But it's much higher quality solutions.

Today at work, they decided to upgrade from ancient Ubuntu version to a more recent version. Since they don't use aws properly, they treat servers as pets. So to upgrade Ubuntu, they actually upgraded Ubuntu on the instance instead of creating a new one. This led to grub failing and now they are troubleshooting how to mount disks etc.

All of this could easily be avoided by using the cloud properly.

[-] ElectricCattleman@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

That could be avoided by using on prem properly, too. People are very capable of making bad infrastructure whether on prem or cloud.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Yep. Virtualization is not a unique selling point of the cloud, despite the benefits of it seeming to be one of the largest selling points.

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