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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 days ago (41 children)

The majority of people who didn't vote for Harris don't care about Gaza. They're just larping on the internet.

She wasn't a zionist and wanted to end the war. It was a clear cut decision, but it was a brown and black sacrifice people were willing to make for their moral purity.

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (33 children)

I was ready to demand my Lefty comrades go vote for Kamala: after all, one Genocide is better than two genocides.

But then she came out "tough on the border" and took that from me. She promised to be every bit as hard as Trump.

https://theweek.com/politics/kamala-harris-immigration-policy-mexico-border

But she worked HARD to alienate the Left. She took every piece of rhetoric I had and shat on it.

So we have Kamala caving on Gaza with rhetoric (and walking it back)

https://forward.com/fast-forward/666427/kamala-harris-does-not-agree-with-protester-who-shouted-genocide-her-campaign-says/

But flatly refusing to do anything:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/crocodile-tears-and-genocide-how-the-gaza-war-is-threatening-kamala-harris-s-white-house-chances/ar-AA1tnGVg

Just like the Liberal Party. Promise almost nothing, make a symbolic gesture, do actually nothing.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/harris-gaza

So when she gets no support, why are Clinton Neoliberal, Reaganomics-poisoned-but-polite Liberals surprised? This is the Country they designed, on purpose.

She wasn't a zionist and wanted to end the war

Citation? Because any time I saw anything indicating that, she IMMEDIATELY walked it back. And I've cited (shitty) sources.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (16 children)

I dug through my comment history to find this. It has plenty of links.

I read it. Democrats will keep playing the left for fools and moving to the right, no matter what happens.

No Bernie's campaign and Warren's campaign drove Biden to the left on a whole host of issues, including labor unions.

There was no daylight between her and Biden on Netanyahu’s genocide.

Don't lie.

This comment said it best and lists calls for a ceasefire from Harris.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13069715

She’s taken a stance, multiple times. The left doesn’t want to hear it.

March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas

July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315

September - https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/harris-calls-for-ceasefire-in-gaza-while-trump-claims-she-hates-israel--isokhfqmy6EgRGrUOSuK

Harris promised to do everything in her power to end the war in Gaza.

“This year has been difficult, given the scale of death and destruction in Gaza and given the civilian casualties and displacement in Lebanon, it is devastating. And as president, I will do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza, to bring home the hostages, end the suffering in Gaza, ensure Israel is secure, and ensure the Palestinian people can realise their right to dignity, freedom, security and self-determination,” Harris said to applause during a rally in East Lansing city of Michigan, home to 200,000 Arab Americans.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/4/harris-says-will-end-gaza-war-in-final-election-appeal-to-arab-americans

Unlike Biden, Harris was not a life long Zionist.

When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: “I don’t believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/

Harris wasn't perfect. And that was simply not good enough for some people who didn't want to risk their hands getting dirty. Even if it meant the Palestinians becoming the cost of doing business.

I voted for Harris and the election is over. That doesn’t mean I’m going to pretend that she wasn’t as committed to Netanyahu’s genocide as Biden was.

Good for you. I appreciate it. No need to spread propaganda though.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There was no daylight between her and Biden on Netanyahu’s genocide.

Don't lie.

You may have missed the "No daylight, kid." thing it seems.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What does that have to with anything? Harris was never under any obligation to follow that instruction once she became president.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which would mean accepting a lie, thereby completely undermining calls for context or saying statements are being misquoted.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are being misquoted. That was a Biden quote used to say that Harris had the same position Biden. Which is a lie.

Harris had distinct positions on Israel. Biden telling her to have the same positions doesn't mean she had the same positions.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure. Though we can't quite know if even that's true as she did not become president.

Not a thing comes to mind.

Was still pretty much the biggest self-sabotaging way of communicating that sentiment in the campaign.

Sure. Though we can’t quite know if even that’s true as she did not become president.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. We cannot look into an alternate timeline.

Former presidents do not have power over current presidents.

We can look at her public statements. And those compared to this make it clear Biden was definitely worse

https://jewishcurrents.org/joe-bidens-alarming-record-on-israel

At this crucial juncture, Biden undercut Obama again. After Clinton’s ultimatum, the vice president—who was still traveling in the Middle East—contacted Netanyahu himself. In their book Our Separate Ways: The Struggle for the Future of the U.S.-Israel Alliance, Dana Allin and Steve Simon describe Biden’s discussion with the Israeli prime minister as “a conciliatory call” that had the effect of “undercutting Clinton and reinforcing Israel’s generally dismissive approach to the administration’s periodically tough messaging.” An administration official remembers being “astonished” upon seeing the transcript of the conversation: “Biden completely undercut the secretary of state and gave Bibi a strong indication that whatever was being planned in Washington was hotheadedness and he could defuse it when he got back.” When Clinton saw the transcript, the official recalls, she “realized she’d been thrown under the bus.”

Biden's been derailing US foreign policy on the Israel since he was vp.

Was still pretty much the biggest self-sabotaging way of communicating that sentiment in the campaign.

Yes.

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