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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 232 points 1 day ago (62 children)

We're already there. The only reason we aren't calling this a depression is that the stock market hasn't been affected much.

But when 25% of Americans are functionally unemployed, it's hard to argue we aren't already largely 'crashed'.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 100 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (30 children)

The biggest issue is the need for families to have two incomes to support a houshold. Unemployment would plummet if single incomes for the working class were feasible again,since unemployment is based on looking for employment.

Basically if jobs had living wages and we had universal healthcare we wouldn't be in this mess.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 77 points 1 day ago (27 children)

That ship sailed under Reagan, and it's never getting back to port, sadly. Thanks to him, families now needed two incomes.

Then, Bush and Clinton came along, and you needed not only two incomes, but two college degrees. Now, with Dubya, Obama, and Trump, not even that's enough, and they're capping student loans instead of regulating student loan interest, so your only real shot at being a doctor now is being born in the right zip code.

America, baby. Dig it.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can blame Reagan for a lot of things but not this and frankly even if it somehow was all his fault the Clinton Administration could have undone it.

The economy was already in trouble by the end of Lyndon Johnson's final term in 1969. The Nixon Administration implemented some large changes trying to fix it but was unsuccessful. The Carter Administration also tried with very limited success. It wasn't until the 1st Rise of Tech in the 80s during the Reagan Administration that things managed to get moving again. The Clinton Administration caught a lucky break with the 2nd Rise of Tech in the 90s so the streak got extended to right about 2001.

The amusing part is that Johnson, Nixon, and Carter bear no blame for the economic woes while Reagan and Clinton deserve no credit for the economic successes. They just happened to be the guy in the Oval when things happened.

Its a good chunk of the reason that everyone from Wall Street to the US Federal Government is trying so damn hard to make AI happen. They want a 3rd Rise of Tech, or something like it, in order to re-float the economy.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Bla-bla-blame? I don't think this is about blaming the right or the left wing of politics. It's about what the State is supposed to do for (as in favor of) the people. They renounced to the idea of working for the people and leave them in the hands of the oligarchy. It worked as long as the illusion and promises lasted.

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