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Using Clouds for too long might have made you incompetent (loudwhisper.me)
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My take on how a decade (or more) of using cloud services for everything has seemingly deskilled the workforce.

Just recently I found myself interviewing senior security engineers just to realize that in many cases they had absolutely no idea about how the stuff they supposedly worked with, actually worked.

This all made me wonder, is it possible that over-reliance on cloud services for everything has massively deskilled the engineering workforce? And if it is so, who is going to be the European clouds, so necessary for EU's digital sovereignty?

I did not copy-paste the post in here because of the different writing style, but I get no benefit whatsoever from website visits.

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[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 114 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I think its actually that most people generally don't really understand most things beyond the minimal level necessary to get by. Now that the tech industry isn't just a bunch of nerds you're increasingly more likely to encounter people who are temperamentally disinclined to seek understanding of those details.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That and also - humans not knowing something can man up and learn it. When they need, they'll learn.

And OP's question about European clouds - it depends really. A lot of what this endeavor needs is just advanced use of OpenStack. I'm confident there are plenty of people with such skills in the EU countries.

As for the post content - I dunno, my experience with Kubernetes consists of using it, but not trying to understand or touch it too closely, because it stinks. Maybe those engineers were like that too.

[–] loudwhisper@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When they need, they'll learn.

100% agree. But. If you are a principal engineer claiming to have experience hardening the thing, you would expect that learning to have already happened. Also, I would be absolutely fine with "I never had a chance to dig into this specifically, I just know it at a high level" answer. Why coming up with bs?

Maybe those engineers were like that too.

I mean, we are talking about people whose whole career was around Kubernetes, so I don't think so?

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Ah. OK. Yep, people lie in their CV's.

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