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[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

I'm starting to lean towards a one state solution myself. Especially the more I've learned about the fact that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all used to get along in the area before the colonization of European and Western Jewish people into the area and displacement of the locals.

Give them democracy with a strong Constitution where everyone is equal, remove all traces of ethno nationalism or theocracy from the government (except for some public holidays). Integrate the security forces, courts, and other agencies of power together, enforce human rights, try to learn from South Africa, the Troubles in England, and I heard what they did in New Zealand to integrate with the indigenous worked, too. Mix up the schools so the next generation learns to grow up without the hate for the "other" their elders have.

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (8 children)

the more I've learned about the fact that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all used to get along

The crusades would like a word.

[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

@Tavarin the Crusades originated in Europe though. It wasn't the locals infighting, more like warmongering tourists.

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

True, but it was due to religious hegemony in the region.

[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

@Tavarin I don't think it really was. That's what the Pope wanted people to think at the time, but historians have other explanations.

The early Crusaders attacked other Christians as well as Jewish settlements and Muslims.

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

During the crusades the region was controlled by the Abbasid Caliphate, and ruled as a Muslim land. The only reason the Christians, Jew, and Muslims "got along" there was due to being under the rule of a single and powerful empire. It wasn't like the Middle East of the time was separate kingdoms who got along, it was controlled by empires for almost all of its history.

[–] livus@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

@Tavarin sure. I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying the crusades weren't their fault.

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