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[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev -2 points 2 years ago (63 children)

Yup, though you are comparing 19th century tech to cutting edge tech: the PRC isn't going to crack EUV lithography on its own any time soon

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (56 children)
  • China can't make modern electronics

  • Okay they can make modern electronics but they'll never design their own domestic brands

  • Okay they made their domestic brands but they'll never achieve market dominance

  • Okay their domestic brands dominate their own market but they'll never see export success

  • Okay they're seeing export success in the EU, India, SEA, and the Middle East, but they'll never make their own RAM or set teleco standards

  • Okay they made their own RAM and helped define the standard for 5G, but they'll never make their own processors.

  • Okay they made their own processors but they'll never make anything smaller than 10nm

  • Okay they made a 10mn chip but they'll never make a 7nm chip

  • Okay they made a 7nm chip but they'll never make a 5nm chip

  • Okay they made a 5nm chip but they'll never crack DUV

  • Okay they cracked DUV but they'll never crack EUV <------ YOU ARE COPING HERE

  • Okay they cracked EUV but they'll never make a 4nm chip

  • Okay they made a 4nm chip but they'll never build a chip factory around a large scale particle accelerator

  • Okay they built a large scale chip factory around a particle accelerator but...

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (55 children)

You obviously fall into the trap of believing that hard science cares about politics, and that money thrown at problems as part of national strategic planning magically solves them. But for anyone else legitimately interested in understanding the topic better and having a glimpse at its complexity, those are great resources:

If the above is too advanced, this can serve as a good primer and answers "how the heck did we get there": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt9NEnWmyMo

Also, I never wrote that China will never get to EUV (or eventually something beyond that), just that it will take a very long time, because the complexity is spread across several very distinct scientific disciplines, integrating them is a challenge of its own (again, watch the videos), and packaging this into a system that meets the scale and reliability requirements to make it commercially viable hasn't been reproduced to date.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You obviously fall into the trap of believing that hard science cares about politics

Look in the fucking mirror champ

You're trying to tell me a rapidly developing, well-resourced country will hit some arbitrary technology threshold because communism. You know, the political system that put the first man in space a generation after most of the USSR wasn't even literate.

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You’re trying to tell me a rapidly developing, well-resourced country will hit some arbitrary technology threshold because communism

Don't you think that you are over-reading a little? I never brought up communism nor any socio-economical ideology for that matter. Quick tip for you: try to read some about economics and China if you nurture any expectation that it is a communist state other than in name.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you don't think China is communist, why do you think it will hit whatever arbitrary threshold you're imagining?

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

I think we know why us-foreign-policy

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

why do you think it will hit whatever arbitrary threshold you’re imagining?

What does that mean? What does this have to do with the above?

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

try to read some about economics and China if you nurture any expectation that it is a communist state other than in name.

Seems like you missed something if that's your interpretation

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If that's the point you want to make, do back it up if you want others (i.e. anyone who cares, i.e. not me) to comment on that?

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

You're the one who made an assertion without backing it up in the first place. Its clear you don't know what you're talking about

i.e. anyone who cares, i.e. not me michael-laugh

cope and rage-cry reddit brain

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