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RARBG shutting down left a huge hole for me and I can’t figure out what’s a good alternative for it other than 1337. Any suggestions?

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[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No you don't.

For one, you're not hosting the content (seeding) like you are with torrents. Claimants aren't generally concerned about the people downloading, they go after the hosts.

And two, you are establishing an encrypted connection to a usenet server which you are then downloading through. Because that traffic is encrypted (like it would be with a vpn), it can't be inspected for illegal/copyrighted content (though that's incredibly rare, ISPs have no incentive to inspect your traffic like that, torrent or otherwise).

Usenet at its core is just an old message board system. People have uploaded files to those message boards by splitting them into small parts and posting the compressed plaintext of each file part into a message on a usenet server. You then read/download each of those posted messages, decompress them, then reassemble all the parts to get the original file. (this is all done automatically by your usenet client and an .nzb file telling it what parts to grab in what order).

Copyright claims can still be filed/submitted, but they go to the usenet provider and are their responsibility to handle and takedown content, not yours as a user/customer.

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks for elaborating!

If you don't mind I have a follow up question. Why would a usenet provider protect users who clearly store illegal files on their servers, when ISPs are easily ratting out their customers?

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's less about protecting them, and more not pushing away your customers. Very little activity on usenet isn't file sharing now a days and few of those files are above bar... But they'll take on that risk for you, for a little bit of your money. It's part of the business model.

Again copyright holders aren't generally interested in those downloading content, but those hosting the content to be downloaded. With usenet you are shifting that hosting away from you, and paying for that security of it being someone elses problem. If a usenet host gets taken down/raided, it's very very unlikely the authorities would then go after everyone on the customer list; that's neither practical nor worthwhile, especially as it typically crosses international borders amd very little info is stored about usenet customers. They'll just move on to targeting the next host.

With torrents, you are the host. You're broadcasting to trackers what content you have and the fact that you want someone to download it from you, painting a big target on your back.

Usenet also provides a little bit of reasonable doubt as the host isn't the one posting data to the service, and the files posted to usenet are broken into many parts and compressed individually. Without the index file (which isn't posted to usenet) to re-combine the parts in the right order and see the whole thing, it's not clear at all that it's illegal or copyrighted content to be able to take action on it. Maybe it was a rip of the new Guardians movie, maybe it's just a cat picture 🤷. This heavily delays the takedown process and allows the host to say they were reasonably unaware of the content, dodging responsibility/consequences.

[-] sockenklaus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

But isn't this kinda like the one click hosters like Rapidshare or Megaupload? Those services (at least the big ones I think) have been taken down for copyright infringement although they had the benefit of the doubt because data was stored fragmented and encrypted. Or am I not seeing something important?

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

From what I understand Usenet is a more distributed system, with usenet servers sharing vast amounts of data between each other. Many of those servers are not located in the US, so prosecution becomes difficult without international cooperation.

It's also a system that's been around since 1980 and hasn't been taken down yet. I'm sure individuals providers have overtime, but usenet as a whole chugs on with data exceeding 20 years old depending on the retention of your particular provider, usually 5000-8000days.

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