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If you ask me, I'm upset no one picked up that this consideration was sexist and racist, although it is indeed the best choice for her to win, which reflects how bad US can't get over race and gender.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

it's a catch 22 situation where you can't have two minority picks because ostensibly, that would be DEI, but specifically picking a white guy for DEI is ostensibly not DEI because you're picking the best candidate for the role.

i don't really think it's any deeper than the fact that tim walz was literally the perfect pick, he just happens to be white. I'm not sure you would be able to find an equally beloved and respected pick other than him.

like, just so we're on the same page here, it's not a bad thing that she picked a white guy, it quite literally broadens and diversifies her running, i believe she also wants to appoint more diverse office candidates as well, so we'll probably see less white people there inevitably.

at the end of the day, it is what it is. You push for diversity in picking someone like Kamala, you also have to do the same thing for white people as well. It's all strategic at the end of the day, they wouldn't have done it if it didn't make any sense.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I don't know man......sometimes politics DO do things that doesn't make sense.

In fact, most of politics these past 8 years have left me scratching my head.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

this is true, politics and bureaucracy is weird.

to be fair, most of the last 8 years have been primarily due to trump being actually insane though. Outside of that, it's uh. Ok.

[-] exanime@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

it's a catch 22 situation where you can't have two minority picks because ostensibly, that would be DEI, but specifically picking a white guy for DEI is ostensibly not DEI because you're picking the best candidate for the role.

But that is basically where everything is wrong with America. America is obsessed with gender and race

The fact that gender or race play any factor of consideration for a job that is not pushing out a baby or being an Asian model (for example), race and gender should mean nothing

You only ever hear "I want the best person for the job" when a non white non male is chosen. Basically if it's a white male, the assumption is he is probably ok for the job

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago

But that is basically where everything is wrong with America. America is obsessed with gender and race

is it though? The only reason we're here is because someone had a shower thought, and people proposed that it was probably more significant that it really is quite forwardly.

Also this is just true for most things in the world, in engineering you need to balance between features and simplicity, and simplicity and manufacturing, and manufacturing and materials cost. There is no perfect outcome, improving one thing worsens another.

The fact that gender or race play any factor of consideration for a job that is not pushing out a baby or being an Asian model (for example), race and gender should mean nothing

the way this is worded implies that the implication of race and gender in job positions is normal, but i assume you meant the opposite. In an ideal world, it should mean nothing. But men and women are two different sects of the population, with fundamentally different consumer behaviors, men buy things women dont, women buy things men don't, and while there is absolutely discrimination in the workplace surrounding these things. It's also debatable whether they're even super relevant. Data collection and sciences is a hard field.

As far as jobs go, women can have children, and if you're a company looking for employees, you have to contend with the basic fact that women getting pregnant can drop 9 months or more out of the workforce, meaning you probably have to hire more women to do the same collective amount of work, or you move through more job positions in that given group. It's likely not all that significant, but it's something you have to think about. Granted in the US we have fuck all for maternal leave, so who knows whether this is even relevant to begin with lol.

You only ever hear “I want the best person for the job” when a non white non male is chosen. Basically if it’s a white male, the assumption is he is probably ok for the job

you should probably hear this with every hire, but the implication that a white male being chosen is "somehow worse" than any given minority candidate is a weird statement to make. Though, education wise it could be true.

[-] aprentic@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

He was clearly chosen for the votes he's likely to bring in. That's smart strategy on Harris' part.
As near as I can tell "the media" spent a few days wildly guessing about who her VP pick would be and many of them where white males. There are many articles that predicted that she would pick a white male but I couldn't find any that argued that it should be a consideration.

[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

She did interview exclusively white males for the position no?

[-] aprentic@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

I don't know. The 6 finalists that we know about were all white males but we can only speculate who she interviewed to get down to those 6 finalists.

While it's always a reasonable guess that a white male's identity played a role in their hiring process, we don't seem to have any evidence to support it.

Calling someone a "DEI hire" doesn't just mean that they're a different race than other people in an organization. It's used to imply that the person is otherwise unqualified for the job and was specifically hired to fill a diversity requirement.

I don't think that's an accurate description of Walz and I'd do some pretty serious eye rolling if MAGA starts trying to portray him as such.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

maybe?, but then again im pretty sure like 70% of the US national population is white, so. At the very least it's above 50% making it a majority. In my state it's 80% white.

Statistically, you would expect to get a white dude. It's what's most representative.

Then there's the whole institutional race/ethnic bias problem as well. That's likely relevant here.

[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Every democratic ticket that's won the presidency this century has been a mixed race ticket. If I had to guess, this election is gonna be a big win for democrats, and if they have any intelligence whatsoever, they'll keep their presidential tickets mixed race for a while in the future. Some people will just always prefer to vote for their own race.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 0 points 4 months ago

Bush Cheney was not mixed race. I never considered anything other than policy, and tbf I need to see more.

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