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Should Ukraine Launch Western Weapons Deep Into Russia?
(www.nytimes.com)
Um, yes. Yes they should. A LOT.
Um, hell yeah
Whatever helps this war of aggression end sooner rather than later. Their Black Sea navy is in shambles already, do their Air Force next.
Yes
Unequivocally and obviously yes
Yes
Yes
Of course. The other side is doing it, why shouldn't they? It was a big mistake to not let them in the first place. Many many people are dead because of it.
They should hit any and all military targets.
Yes, and they never should have been there to begin with.
On the one hand: yes. Fuck Russia, they initiated this conflict, and retaliation against your aggressors should be at least proportional if not moreso.
On the other hand: I have a lot of trepidation about escalations of conflict. WWIII feels very possible with the current instability between Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine, and every increase in violence edges us closer. I don't think we're at the same risk level as we were at the height of the cold war, but we're close.
The question is how do we minimize loss of life while maximizing justice. The first consideration is objective, the second is subjective. I don't have a good answer, and I don't know how allowing Ukraine to show full force will impact either. War sucks
And that’s precisely the sort of logic that Putin is incredibly good at taking advantage of.
Appeasement harms far more people in the long run.
Sometimes, decisive - and yes, violent - action is genuinely the best option in the larger geopolitical context.
The lead-up to the invasion of Poland before WW2 is a highly appropriate context to use as a comparison - if Chamberlain had been able to successfully rally the UK’s allies (including the US) and convince them to forcibly oppose the Anschluss, the whole goddamn war might not have even happened as it did in history. Of course, the possibility of Stalin becoming the Big Bad of that conflict as a result instead of Hitler (vacuum of power and all that) can’t be dismissed, but at the same time, that’s all hypothetical, and similar logic could have been applied to that potential conflict as well. I am, of course, taking a HUGE amount of creative and historical liberty - there are tons of reasons why things unfolded as they did, and why what I’m saying here was deeply unlikely, if not outright impossible at the time… but still, thought experiments like this can be useful to consider sometimes.
have you lived under the rock for the last month? ukrainians rolled through russian border and along the way erased all russian red lines
This is the only elaborated comment here. It's not even any kind of a strong opinion, but still enough to get several dislikes. Probably most of them politics professors, historians, diplomats and military experts.
Thank you. Lemmy is a very unique kind of echo chamber, and I often seem to say things that aren't exactly the "right" opinion.
Sometimes dislikes are equal to uncomfortable truth.
Ukrainian plan of only striking military targets inside Russia is in my opinion enough.
Russia will use Electronic Warfare that will probably cause civilian deaths. But you have to contrast this with the Russian practice of hitting civilian targets on purpose. Like the recent hit on a children's hospital.
Realistically allowing Ukraine to hit listed Russian military targets will not cripple Russia. But it will IMHO push them towards real negotiations.
this post was submitted on 12 Sep 2024
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