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Healthcare rule (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 1 week ago by unlawfulbooger@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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Tweet is from around February 2022; I’m not visiting that cesspool to find the exact date.

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[-] kokopelli@lemmy.world 100 points 1 week ago

Like yes taxes go up, but also you’re already paying for health insurance

[-] DrMorose@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

With my portion and my companies portion, it would almost be the equivalent of what Germans pay in taxes for all the programs they have over there. I think most are in the same boat we just don't realize that we are getting fucked or we do but we don't realize by how much.

It was an eye opener to actually look at it since your health insurance is taken from your paycheck before you actually see it so most people don't even think about it.

[-] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 80 points 1 week ago

This is the thing that drives me crazy. Especially with those "I don't want my money going to pay for the wrong kind of person's healthcare" idiots. It already does. You already pay for that. Private healthcare is socialized healthcare except with some rich dumbass acting as a middleman so he can scrape a ton of money out while denying grandma that new hip she needs in the name of profits.

Just because you call it an "insurance fee" and pay more than if it was called a "tax" doesn't somehow make it better.

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[+] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee -21 points 1 week ago

Ok, so I completely support universal healthcare. However, it still is true that you are paying for "someone else's healthcare". How?

Let's assume that there's a flat tax percentage - 30% for all. (Actually most developed countries have progressive tax systems, but let's ignore that for now). The more your income, the more tax you pay. Therefore, some people pay more tax than others. This means, that some people contribute more to fund the healthcare system compared to others.

Some people have pre-existing conditions. Some people may just be unhealthy due to bad lifestyle choices. I might be incredibly fit. The probability of me falling sick would be very less. If there were a multi payer healthcare system, then perhaps I might not need to spend much money on healthcare. A universal single payer system might be forcing me to pay more for others' healthcare. Therefore, saying that I'm paying for someone else's healthcare isn't inaccurate.

That being said, healthcare is a human right. Every human, regardless of financial status deserves timely access to good healthcare. That's why I support it.

[-] burgersc12@mander.xyz 44 points 1 week ago

Right now we pay for other peoples healthcare and we also pay some shitty middlemen who tell us what treatments they think are necessary. If we cut out the middlemen its literally cheaper than our current system.

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 28 points 1 week ago

For some reason everyone thinks they are the healthy ones that don't and never will need healthcare, not like those unhealthy everyone else

[-] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee -5 points 1 week ago

True. I'm playing Devil's advocate here. These r arguments that I've heard that make sense technically, but not ethically. I'm not saying that real life me would want to give up my universal healthcare lol. It's a safety net that I absolutely want in my life (for selfish reasons as well)

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[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

You're already doing that with insurance premiums. Universal healthcare is that but cheaper because the government doesn't have a profit incentive to price gouge.

[+] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee -14 points 1 week ago

Universal healthcare is that but cheaper because the government doesn't have a profit incentive to price gouge.

Cheaper for everyone except higher income folk. They would benefit from a multi payer, private insurance system as they would end up paying less.

You're already doing that with insurance premiums.

Insurance premiums aren't decided based on my income. They're decided based on the probability of me needing healthcare. Therefore, we kinda are not doing that right now. Universal, single payer healthcare would mean that healthcare expenditure would increase with my income. If I'm rich, I would be very sad.

But I'm not. Also, eat the rich. Healthcare is a human right. I am very happy with the universal healthcare that I have lol. I wouldn't want it to go away at all. But again, I was talking about the technicality here.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Also, eat the rich. Healthcare is a human right.

how do you do fellow leftists

[-] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee -2 points 6 days ago

Oh fuck right off. My political positions r my political positions because I've formed synthesis by evaluating both, thesis and antithesis. I consider myself a leftist. This however does not mean that I shouldn't talk about antithesis for leftist theses. We're not in a cult, uk.

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