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[-] ulkesh@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Wow, a CEO who doesn’t buy into the hype? That’s astonishing.

I, for one, cannot wait for the bubble to burst so we can get back to some sense of sanity.

Edit>> Though if Baidu is investing in AI like all the rest, then maybe they just think they’ll be immune — in which case I’m sad again that I haven’t yet come across a CEO who calls bullshit on this nonsense.

AI will have its uses, and it has practical use cases such as helping people to walk or to speak or to translate in real time, etc. But we’re decades away from what all these CEOs seem to think they’re going to cash in on now. And it’ll be fun on some level watching them all be wrong.

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 31 points 15 hours ago

10 to 30? Yeah I think it might be a lot longer than that.

Somehow everyone keeps glossing over the fact that you have to have enormous amounts of highly curated data to feed the trainer in order to develop a model.

Curating data for general purposes is incredibly difficult. The big medical research universities have been working on it for at least a decade, and the tools they have developed, while cool, are only useful as tools too a doctor that has learned how to use them. They can speed diagnostics up, they can improve patient outcome. But they cannot replace anything in the medical setting.

The AI we have is like fancy signal processing at best

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 13 hours ago

Not an expert so I might be wrong, but as far as I understand it, those specialised tools you describe are not even AI. It is all machine learning. Maybe to the end user it doesn't matter, but people have this idea of an intelligent machine when its more like brute force information feeding into a model system.

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[-] poo@lemmy.world 199 points 20 hours ago

No bubble has deserved to pop as much as AI deserves to

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 155 points 20 hours ago

Blockchain and crypto were worse. „AI” has some actual use even if it’s way overblown.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 52 points 18 hours ago

I'm glad you didn't say NFTs because my Bored Ape will regain and triple its value any day now!

[-] protist@mander.xyz 10 points 15 hours ago

Bro the GME short squeeze is going to hit any day now. We're going to be millionaires bro, you just wait

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[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 81 points 20 hours ago

Creating a specialized neural net to perform a specific function is cool. Slapping GPT into customer support because you like money is horse shit and I hope your company collapses. But yeah you're right. Blockchain was a solution with basically no problems to fix. Neural nets are a tool that can do a ton of things, but everyone is content to use them as a hammer.

[-] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 32 points 18 hours ago

Yes! "AI" defined as only LLMs and the party trick applications is a bubble. AI in general has been around for decades and will only continue to grow.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 56 points 20 hours ago

Crypto has a legitimate value, you can buy drugs with it.

[-] Graphy@lemmy.world 17 points 19 hours ago

Honestly kinda miss when the drugs I did were illegal. I used to buy weed from this online seller that was really into designer drugs. The amount of time I used to spend on Erowid just to figure out wtf I was about to take.

[-] _bcron_@lemmy.world 17 points 20 hours ago

I'm not even understanding what AI is at this point because there's no delineation between moderately sophisticated algorithms and things that are orders of magnitude more complex.

I mean, if something like multisampling came out today we'd all know how it'd be marketed

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

AI is a ridiculous broad term these days. Everybody had been slapping the label on anything. It's kinda like saying "transportation" and it means anything between babies crawling up to wrap drive and teleportation.

[-] RarePossum@programming.dev 4 points 13 hours ago

Because most of them are AI

It's just once AI becomes useful (and not magical), we tend to stop calling it AI unless AI gets more VC money.

It's called the AI effect

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 66 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

As a major locally-hosted AI proponent, aka a kind of AI fan, absolutely. I'd wager it's even worse than crypto, and I hate crypto.

What I'm kinda hoping happens is that bitnet takes off in the next few months/years, and that running a very smart model on a phone or desktop takes milliwatts... Who's gonna buy into Sam Altman $7 trillion cloud scheme to burn the Earth when anyone can run models offline on their phones, instead of hitting APIs running on multi-kilowatt servers?

And ironically it may be a Chinese company like Alibaba that pops the bubble, lol.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 25 points 20 hours ago

If bitnet takes off, that’s very good news for everyone.

The problem isn’t AI, it’s AI that’s so intensive to host that only corporations with big datacenters can do it.

[-] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago
[-] Starbuncle@lemmy.ca 18 points 17 hours ago
[-] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 11 hours ago

So will the return of the flag conclude the adventures of ressource usage in computers?

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago

And they will ALL deserve it.

[-] Pulptastic@midwest.social 11 points 16 hours ago

Aw, only 99%?

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 26 points 20 hours ago

Not shocked. It seems the tech bros like to troll us every few years.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 35 points 20 hours ago

The tech bros are selling, but it's the VCs that are fueling this whole thing. They're grasping for the next big thing. Mostly they don't care if any of it actually works, as long as they can pump share value and then sell before it collapses.

[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 19 hours ago

Techbros are the modern day equivalent to snake oil salesmen.

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[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

As someone who follows the startup space (and is thinking of starting their own, non-AI driven startup), the issue is all of the easily solvable problems have already been solved. The only thing that shakes up the tree is when new tech comes along and makes some of the old problems easy to solve.

So take a look at crypto - If you wanted to make a tip bot on Telegram, before crypto that was really hard. You needed to register with something like PayPal, have the recipient register with PayPal, etc etc etc. After crypto it was "Hey this person sent you 5$, use this private key if you want to recover it" (btw I made this service and it was used a lot).

Now look at AI - Imagine making a service that detects CSAM before AI took off. As an aside, I did NOT make this service, but I know a group of people who did. Imagine trying to make this without the AI boom - you'd need millions of images for training data, a PhD in machine learning, and so much more. Now, anyone can make it in their basement.

The point is, investors KNOW the bubble is a bubble and that it will pop. It doesn't matter though. They're looking for people who will solve problems that previously cost 1bln to solve with only 1mln of funding. If even 1% of their companies pay off, they make a profit.

[-] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 9 points 16 hours ago

If even 1% of their companies pay off, they make a profit.

I suspect they make a profit even when 0% pan out. They just need to find someone gullible enough to buy in at the peak, and there's a new sucker born every minute.

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