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[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 111 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Lol... Their ancestors only lived there after they ethnically cleansed the people who were already living there. They've been doing this crap for a long time.

Edit: to clarify, I'm talking about the Jewish people of Israel

[-] protist@mander.xyz 51 points 17 hours ago

When you say "they," are you referring to all humans throughout all of human history? Not conquering/displacing people is a much more recent international norm

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 31 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

More of a recent virtue signal we've been propagandized to believe, while continuing the conquering and displacement without skipping a beat.

While the west was writing the UN declaration of human rights, they were hard at work creating the state of Israel, directly denying Palestine their right to democracy and displacing a million of them.

At the end of WW2 America, and the rest of the anglo-allies, assisted France in trying to reclaim their colonies, rejecting hundreds of millions their "basic human right" to democracy; all of this went on for decades after the declaration was ratified, as if that meant anything.

Human rights don't apply as long as you are labelled a communist, terrorist, separatist, extremist, pedo, etc, etc. Then they can torture you in a black site all nice and legal.

Most of our history has been written by sociopathic criminals.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 20 points 15 hours ago

If you look at the entirety of human history, genocides and displacements have objectively been at an all-time low since the end of WWII

[-] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

It's not the first time that peace exists you know, and it's an incredibly short span that you're describing, one which I think everyone agrees is closer to its end than anything

[-] aquafunk@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 15 hours ago

if you look at the entirety of human history, since WWII is a blink of an eye

fight complacency.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

The ancients very much understood the value in just changing leadership. So conquering yes, genocide? Usually only when religion is involved.

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[-] ytg@sopuli.xyz 14 points 15 hours ago

According to the Bible, yes. Which is most likely not true. Remember that Zionism started as a secular movement, with religious people getting more (very) on board relatively recently

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[-] madthumbs@lemmy.world 15 points 17 hours ago

This is according to their own religious texts which can be found in the Bible as well. A religion of genocide that instructed on brutal racial slavery.

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[-] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

I mean, I also think American Indians have a right to live and self govern in the Americas, and likewise have a right to defend themselves in that context. They just also don't have the right to bomb and push out all the white people who were born here too. We actually do have somewhat of a two state solution with some tribes in the US, it's just very inequal and there's massive systemic problems obviously. I'm not sure this meme is quite making the point you think it is?

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[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 21 points 15 hours ago

Lol I thought this was a Mormon meme at first

[-] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

Urim and thummim pilled

[-] lightscription@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago

Very good point.

Settler colonial re(de)colonize colony USA!

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago

Ask for Manhattan back in exchange for returning the blankets and beads

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 hours ago

Over 80% of the population of Israel was born in Israel. If you want them to leave then you're talking about ethnic cleansing, not decolonization.

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[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 36 points 17 hours ago

"their ancestors"

The first Jews to move to Palestine were European Jews, they can't use the "our ancestors" card.

[-] IceBerg@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago

Dude, jews have been living in israel all throughout history. They've been forcefully expelled from the country by the various empires which have conquered it but there has always been a jewish presence in the land. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 16 hours ago

Yes, there have been palestinians practicing judaism for a long time.

But that doesn't give europeans (and africans and asians and others), regardless of their religion, the right to steal the land and genocide the people.

In the olde days they called them crusades and they were garbage then too.

[-] IceBerg@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

When you say steal land and genocide people, are you referring to the survivors from the Holocaust granted part of the british controlled land called (by the british BTW and not the indigenous people) Palestine? Those folks who we're then immediately set upon by the arabic folk living in said land?

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