Rishi Sunak saying ‘a man is a man and a woman is a woman’ branded ‘sickening’ and ‘ridiculous’ : worldnews

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 90 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

This chucklefuck is a year younger than me.

I read The Second Sex twenty fucking years ago. It was written over 70 years ago.

Like, they keep acting like gender is performative is a new idea when it's absolutely old as living fuck at this point.

How long do we keep giving them to accept that this is clearly true and has value as a way to discuss a variety of subjects, from social expectations of what cisgender women are "supposed to look like" to why gender and biological sex are different things (on top of biological sex being a lot more vague than conservatives tend to think. protip: intersex people exist!)?

How long do they get to hide behind "It was a different world back then" when books written about this very subject come from that ancient fucking world they're always referencing for why they're such bigoted fucking shitheels.

They shouldn't get to hide behind "it was a different world back then" when a number of us who are older than this dipshit are familiar with these ideas already because these ideas existed before we were fucking born.

Maybe their stupid asses should have picked up and read a fucking book (that wasn't Mein Kampf) in seventy fucking years.

Anyway, it is sickening and ridiculous this far into the future this is still being discussed like its a controversial issue and not clearly fucking painfully obviously the reality of the situation.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reactionaries and fascists usually seek to “return” to a mythologized version of the past that never truly existed. This is exactly what makes them so radical and dangerous.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

The downvotes all over this thread without response arguing anything really say it all, don't they?

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Time, research, facts, priority, urgency... None of it means anything to them. They quote texts that are nearly 80 years old as if it's modern science while calling laws and programs programs that are 60 years old outdated, even though they're meant to hopefully level the playing field for people who were heavily abused for hundreds of years and now are only medium-abused.

Commenters keep talking about stopped clocks being right twice a day, but they're worse than that. These aren't stopped clocks, these are creepy old dudes jerking off in the corner and they happen to own a watch.

Someone asks them, "hey Steve wants to know what time it is," and they respond, "SHOW ME STEVE'S GENITALS! EW! Got anything younger?"

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

These aren’t stopped clocks, these are creepy old dudes jerking off in the corner and they happen to own a watch.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a more accurate description, honestly.

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

divide et impera

Everybody knows. You don't have to fight. Talk about the important topics.

[–] li10@feddit.uk 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It frustrates me how much the government is trying to start a culture war.

It really feels like the conservatives are just trying to manufacture this to distract from how much they’ve fucked the country.

I’m not saying those bigoted thoughts aren’t an issue in the UK, but I don’t think the average person really feels that strongly about the topic.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Hey, at least your conservatives aren't so dedicated to proving government doesn't work that they oust their own House speaker because he wouldn't shut down the government to prove government doesn't work.

Other than that, they're nearly as shitty. They're just not flat-out "we're breaking government to prove government is broken" yet. So far, they only seem to do that with the NHS. (I could be wrong, just looking from the outside, as a Yank)

[–] doleo@lemmy.one 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, you're definitely wrong. The conservatives in the UK are every bit as bad as the USA. I appreciate it always feels worse when it's happening in the country you live in.

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago

FTFY

It frustrates me how much the government is trying to ~~start~~ continue a culture war.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

TERF Island ukkk

[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Bri'ish blokes when trans people:

[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago

pronouns

[+] jmp242@sopuli.xyz -9 points 2 years ago

I don't know Rishi Sunak, but "a man is a man and a woman is a woman" seems like a tautology to me, so how it's "'sickening’ and ‘ridiculous’" escapes me, except as making yet another statement into a "dog whistle".

Of course he probably doesn't mean it this way, but taking the performative definitions and removing sex from the definition, then there is no actual thing to reference other than back to the word. There's no definition available - it becomes a qualia as far as I can tell. Actually, in some ways less than that - it becomes a bit of a "no true scotsman" argument, or a "what is canon in franchise" sort of thing. Because the performance of a man or woman is basically whatever each individual person says it is. It can convey nothing that isn't a stereotype and is likely harmful.

Anyway, the terms become meaningless - and in general anything we cared about there was to me actually based in the sex, not the gender anyway.

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