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[+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

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[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I love Disco but it’s not exactly Trek.

Well, it sort of is due to it being a Star Trek show. That sentence is extremely gatekeepy. It assumes that Star Trek is definable in what type of show it creates (it isn't), is uniform in its types of shows (it isn't) and that anything different than status quo is not applicable. It's utterly nonsense and the same nonsense that was parroted about TNG, and DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise and every other show that wasn't TOS. Remember everyone whining about the Kelvin timeline and "ItS nOt ReAl StAr TrEk!" Sure seems like most of them are gone now and the movies are getting loved.

Star Trek goes out of its way to scream about diversity, to allow differences and celebrate those, and that not every path has to be the same. I don't understand the insistence that the shows themselves cannot be diverse either.

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[-] whats_all_this_then@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Disclaimer: Only Trek I had watched beforehand was Lower Decks (loved it) and SNW (loved it) in that order. With that said, here are my opinions nobody asked for:

S1 had its flaws but I was there for dark, depressing, and moody.
SNW cast carried the fuck out of S2 and the plot was good too imo.
First half of S3 was promising...but they fucked it up so utterly and completely in the second half that it was hard to take the rest of the show seriously afterwards.

spoiler

SPOILER START
They COMPLETELY lost me with the source of the burn, it was one of the dumbest things I've seen in a hot minute.

They had me again with the Giorgio redemption stuff in S4(?), but it was all downhill from there.

SPOILER END

I had to forward through starting from the second half of Season 4 just to get through it. It got so ridiculously boring. I was hoping it'd get better and I could watch normally again but it just didn't.

Watching TNG now and I'm loving it. Can be a bit slow sometimes but still enjoyable.

Edit: Does boost not do spoiler tags?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Re your spoiler:

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I agree. Out of all the reasons they could have come up with for The Burn being caused by a distraught Kelpian was one that was mostly just designed for an emotional ending rather than basic decent sci-fi.

That was really an issue with Discovery for me overall, they wanted to do the 'tug your heartstrings' before doing anything else. There needs to be a balance for me.

I do like that Seasons 3 and 4, for all of their flaws (and 4 had massive flaws), tried to do their best to undo the darkness of the first season by restoring Starfleet and the Federation in the far future.

[-] whats_all_this_then@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

SPOILER START

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Yes! "Tug your heartstrings before doing anything else" hits the nail on the head! They completely forgot the part where they actually have to earn it. When you try to make people care without putting in the legwork, it just builds resentment. Then they try to play it off like "he is now Saru's ward and an important part of Kelpian society or whatever the hell that was?"...a lazy " shit happens in space" would've been a better explanation than that tbh.

I liked what they tried with the later seasons and the new federation too. However, I feel like they swung too far in the other direction from S1 where they got too scared to have actual stakes and started doing the transparent holywood thing of introducing new characters (or trying to give an old character more plot than they had in 4 seasons) in the first 10 mins of an episode, killing them off, then expecting you to care because characters you actually know liked them.

SPOILER END

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[-] Stamets@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Star Trek: Oops All Politics (and it always fucking has been)

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

It really is amazing to me that anyone can be familiar with Star Trek and at any point claim it's gotten too political. Like what show were you watching? Are you just some weirdo who went to Memory Alpha and memorized a bunch of Star Trek trivia but never watched an episode?

There were probably fewer non-political episodes than political ones. TOS had political episode after political episode, intentionally challenging TV executives so that they could talk about issues of the day. TNG continued this and added many social issues as well. DS9 was basically all politics for its last four seasons. Voyager was more in the TNG mold, and then Enterprise had an entire season that was an (IMO bad) allegory about 9/11 and the War on Terror.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I watched them all, and I loved them all too. I had opinions and favorites, but now that I'm done with everything Trek I just wish I could watch it all for the first time again.

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