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[-] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 20 points 3 weeks ago

My current phone lacks a headphone jack and I hate it. It would be okay if it was replaced with two usb c ports, but there's only one which means I either choose between headphones or charging, or I must use an adapter. Or wireless, but I don't want yet another fucking battery to charge.

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[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 weeks ago

I don't see the problem. Type-C ports can replace all those ports. If you want more ports, buy a dock.

[-] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

And this picture doesn’t show the more recent models with the mag lock power, hdmi, and sd card reader.

Type c ports are the best. I connect my monitor through one and it has a type ports on it for a wired keyboard and speakers.

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[-] magnolia_mayhem@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

Apple has always been an appearance over function company.

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[-] technotony@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago

The desktop equivalent is "What happened to all my PCIe expansion slots?!"

(Note: processor PCIe lane count has gone up, used to be like 16 from CPU, 4 from chipset, since a GPU didn't need an x1x6 in terms of bandwidth - see SLI/crossfire. These days, it's just that many lanes go to M.2, with each using up to 4 lanes - vs having 6 SATA driven off the chooser)

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[-] solrize@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Where is the removable battery? Did ANY Apple laptops have that?

[-] kayazere@feddit.nl 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes, pre 2013 models had a screwed in battery. I had a 2011 pro that I changed/upgraded the ram, hard drive, and battery myself.

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[-] Fades@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This post is actually so stupid, they didn't take shit from us, it's still right there.

Nobody uses a firewire cable anymore, USB-A/B is very outdated. On my work macbook with is a M1 Macbook Pro, I have a card reader, a usb-c and an hdmi port on one side, and a headphone jack, 2 usb-c ports and magsafe power ports.

Even if there wasn't, and it was just all usb-c, you can accomplish all of the same things ports. The old macbooks only had these ports on one side and the other had like one firewire or something.

USB-C can be used to deliver audio, video, ethernet connection, etc. You didn't lose any functionality. Worst case scenario you'd need a hub for the card readers or a usb to usb-c adapter, or ethernet to usb-c.

My work provided me with a usb hub that includes usb-a/b slots, hdmi, ethernet and power, which takes a single usb-c port. They're cheap and work just fine if you really need more than 4-5 ports.

Don't take it from me though!

2024 16" macbook pro: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/121554

  • Charging and Expansion
  • SDXC card slot
  • HDMI port
  • 3.5 mm headphone jack
  • MagSafe 3 port
  • Three Thunderbolt 5 (USB-C) ports with support for:
    • Charging
    • DisplayPort
    • Thunderbolt 5 (up to 120Gb/s)
    • Thunderbolt 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
    • USB 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
[-] monotremata@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I really don't think it's that stupid. Your particular machine has a lot of ports, yeah. But there are plenty of machines out there, like the 12-inch non-pro macbook, that have ONE USB-C PORT and absolutely no other ports. That's clearly limiting. Like, you can connect it to ethernet, if you buy an additional USB-C ethernet adapter, but if you want to be able to ethernet and have it connected to power at the same time, you need to buy a special power brick that combines the two functions, because they didn't include any other ports.

Plus, there are a bunch of things that still use USB-A. I've got a bunch of old thumb drives that work like that, especially for transferring video files to my TV, which only supports USB-A itself. Wireless dongles for mice and game controllers, which still offer a latency advantage over bluetooth, tend to be USB-A as well. I've also got a wearable pulse oximeter that requires a special cable to load data, and the other end of that cable is USB-A only. Again, you can get an adapter dongle, but that's never as convenient as just having the right port in the first place.

I went a bit out of my way to get a laptop with a decent collection of ports (and it's a bit of a less portable laptop as a result, maybe more like a desktop replacement), but even it has for some reason dropped the SD card reader, which I would have used a lot. I had to get a dongle for that. And I had to get one that used USB-C in particular, because my USB-A ports are usually both filled.

Basically the selection of ports used to be something that laptops used as a point of differentiation and pride in a crowded market; but Apple managed to invert this, making the prestige marker having a slimmer laptop with as few ports as possible, and that was a dumb change. I do think the pendulum is swinging back, as with your Pro macbook, but I don't think it's unreasonable to be frustrated with the way this element of the market went in such a consumer-hostile direction for a while.

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[-] xenspidey@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 weeks ago

Not Lenovo, my ThinkPad P1 has lots of nice ports

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

This pic leaves out the latest generation of MacBook that brings back some of those ports.

I guess OP would rather generate outrage upvotes, rather than spread the truth.

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[-] HactaiiMiju@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Oh no! They took out ports the vast majority of users would never use in their entire life, making production cheaper and also making room for new technology to develop and evolve, while enabling whoever needs a specific port to simply buy a fucking dongle and get the job done. Oh and this also made it possible for the entire machine to be lighter and thinner, more thermally efficient and have infinitely better battery life.

The horror 🙄

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[-] pro_user@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, they should totally bring back the firewire port!

[-] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

To be fair, USB-C, especially with Thunderbolt, is much more universal. There are adapters for pretty much every "legacy" port out there so if you really need FireWire you can have it, but it's clear why FireWire isn't built into the laptop itself anymore.

The top MacBook Pro is also the 2016+ pre Apple Silicon chassis (that was also used with M chips, but sort of as a leftover), while the newer MacBook Pro chassis at least brought back HDMI and an SD card reader (and MagSafe as a dedicated charging port, although USB-C still works fine for that).

Considering modern "docking" solutions only need a single USB-C/Thunderbolt cable for everything, these additional ports only matter when on the go. HDMI comes in handy for presentations for example.

I'd love to see at least a single USB-A port on the MacBook Pro, but that's likely never coming back. USB-C to A adapters exist though, so it's not a huge deal. Ethernet can be handy as well, but most use cases for that are docked anyway.

I like the Framework concept the most, also "only" 4 ports (on the 13" at least, plus a built-in combo jack), but using adapter cards you can configure it to whatever you need at that point in time and the cards slide into the chassis instead of sticking out like dongles would. I usually go for one USB-C/Thunderbolt on either side (so charging works on either side), a single USB-A and video out in the form of DisplayPort or HDMI. Sometimes I swap the video out (that also works via USB-C obviously) for Ethernet, even though the Ethernet card sticks out. For a (retro) LAN party, I used 1 USB-C, USB-A (with a 4-port hub for wired peripherals), DisplayPort and Ethernet.

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[-] b000rg@midwest.social 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

All the people saying buy a dongle are forgetting to mention that dongles stop working all the fucking time. It's yet another potential point of failure that stops ALL work dead in its tracks if it happens.

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