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[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 92 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

AI plagiarism wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for intellectual copyright and capitalism. Ironically, the status quo of AI art being public domain is absolutely based, as the fruits of our stolen labor belong to us. The communists and anarchists should totally make nonprofit AI art that nobody is allowed to own. Reclaiming AI would be awesome!

Unfortunately, tech bros want to enslave all artists along with the rest of the workers, so they'll rewrite copyright law to turn AI into their exclusive property. It'll be an exception with no justification besides "greed=good"

[-] Jomega@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

Even in a hypothetical utopia, the thought of a sea of slop drowning the creative world makes my skin crawl. Imagine putting your heart and soul into something only to watch some machine liquify it into an ugly paste in a nanosecond, then it goes on to do the same thing a million times in a row. It's hard enough to get noticed in this world, and now every passion project has to compete with the diseased inbred freak clones of other passion projects? It makes me feel so goddamn angry that some asshole felt the need to invent such a thing, and for what? What problem does it solve? Why do you need to use up a cities worth of water to make a six fingered Sailor Moon?

[-] nectar@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

I generally agree (especially with the current critique of using up water/power just for one image)

But I can't get behind "this tool will make people who don't use it feel bad". The same arguments were levied against Photoshop and now it's a tool in the arsenal. The same arguments were levied against the camera. And I could see the same argument against the printing press (save those poor monks doing calligraphy)

The goal of "everything shall be AI" is fucked and clearly wrong. That doesn't mean there isn't any use for it. People who wanna crank out slop will give up when there's no money in it and it doesn't grant them attention.

And I say this as someone who despises how every website has an AI chatbot popping up when I visit their site and every search engine is offloading actually visiting and reading pages to AI summaries

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago

This is where I'm coming from. Generative AI is pretty cool and useful, but it has severe limitations that most people don't comprehend. Machine learning can automate countless time consuming tasks. This is especially true in the entertainment industry, where it's just another tool for production to use.

Businesses fail to understand is that it cannot perform deductive tasks without necessarily making errors. It can only give probable outputs, not outputs that must be correct based on the input. It goes against the very assumptions we make about computer logic, as it doesn't work on deductive reasoning.

Generative AI works by emulating biological intelligence, taking principles of neuroscience to solve problems quickly and efficiently. However, this gives AI similar weaknesses to our own minds, imagining things and baking in bias. It can never give the accurate summaries Google hopes it can, as it will only ever tell us what it thinks we want to hear. They keep misusing it in ways that either waste everyone's time, or do serious harm.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Im sorry but if your arguments is that "AI is doomed because current LLMs are only good at fuzzy, probabilistic, outcomes", then you do not understand current AI or computer science or why computer scientists are impressed by modern AI.

Discrete concrete logic is what computers have always been good at. That is easy. What has been difficult, is finding a way for computers to address fuzzy, pattern matching, probabilistic problems. The fact that Neural Networks are good at those is precisely what has Computer Scientists excited about AI.

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 week ago

I'm not saying it's doomed! I literally said that it's cool and useful. It's a revolutionary technology in many respects, but not for everything. It cannot replace the things computers have always been good at, but business people don't seem to realize that. They assume that it can fix anything, not understanding that it will only make certain things worse. The trade-off is counterproductive for tasks where you need consistent indexing.

For instance, Google's search AI turns primary sources into secondary or tertiary sources by trying to cut corners. I have zero trust in anything it tries to tell me, while all the problems it had before AI have continued to worsen. They could've used machine learning to better understand search queries, or diversify results to compensate for vagueness in language, or to fucking combat SEO, but they instead clog up the results with even more bullshit! It's a war against curiosity at this point! 😫

[-] darthelmet@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Eh. Without the economic incentive, we wouldn't be getting a sea of slop. The energy concerns are very real though.

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You sound like my grandparents complaining about techno musicians sampling music instead of playing it themselves.

Good art can be created with any medium. You view AI as replacing art, future musicians will understand it and use it to create art.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Yep this was inevitable.

[-] mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 week ago

AIs take away attribution as well as copyright. The original authors don't get any credit for their creativity and hard work. That is an entirely separate thing from ownership and property.

It is not at all OK for an AI to take a work that is in the public domain, erase the author's identity, and then reproduce it for people, claiming it as its own.

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[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The sad thing is there is currently a vibrant open source scene around generative ai. There is a strong media campaign against it, as to manipulate the general population so they clamor for a strengthening of copyrights laws.

This won't lead to these tools disappearing, it will just force them behind pricey and censored subscription models while open source options wither and die.

They do indeed want to enslave us, and will do it with the help of people like OP.

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago

IP, like every part of capitalism, has been totally turned against the artists it claimed to protect. If they want it to only be a chain that binds us, we need to break it. They had their chance to make it work for workers, and they squashed it. If we can't buy into the system, we have every reason to oppose it.

On a large scale, this will come in the form of "crime," not revolutionary action. With no social contract binding anyone voluntarily, people will do what they must to serve their own interests. Any criminal activity that weakens the system more than the people must be supported whole heartedly. Smuggling and theft from the wealthy; true Robin Hood marks; are worthy of support. Vengeance from those scarred by the system is more justice than state justice. Revolution isn't what the fat cats need to fear.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I need someone to train with. You or anyone else in WV?

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[-] Mr_Mofu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 1 week ago

As someone who is largely around the art community admiring and sharing thier work, the fact that I could confuse AI Generated Images and thusly falsely share or save them has been such a huge anxiety of mine every since 2022

[-] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

I'm really bad at noticing small details. Luckily 99% of AI artists use the same art style (with more or less Pixar influence for humans) so I can still spot AI imagery from a mile away

[-] Mr_Mofu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago

I've had moments where they admitted to Generating the Images in thier Bio, yet even with that knowledge I could not tell. I reccon this is much more of an issue in the Anime Artist scene where there are more varied Art styles to steal and replicate...

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[-] Mikina@programming.dev 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you look at it from this perspective, it sounds way more obvious. I like this PoV.

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Tech bro: I don't know you stranger. But here is the source code of my lifelong project, have fun and do whatever you want with it

Etsy Artist: NO, you cannot have the raw files of your wedding pictures, are you insane? THOSE ARE MINE AND ONLY MINE!. I want to be paid for anytime you vaguely look in the direction of anything I done, FOREVER!

But you are telling me the former is the greedy bad guy and the later is the light for the revolution or something.

I'll go all in:

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[-] levzzz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

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[-] Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago

AI stuff is banned in this community.

[-] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space 1 points 1 week ago

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[-] Jomega@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

It's a computer program that turns the hard work of artists and utterly ridiculous amounts of water into samey, uncanny abominations. To compare that to the moon landing? I don't even have words for that.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

To compare that to the moon landing?

I don't think they're comparing it to the moon landing. If I say "Rome wasn't built in a day" I'm not taking about Rome.

[-] MBM 16 points 1 week ago

It could give prettier results but that doesn't solve the ethical issues (and even for the prettier part I can see there being fundamental limits)

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[+] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world -11 points 1 week ago

Get over it already.

[-] Mr_Mofu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago

Once I stop seeing this garbage daily, sure~

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

The buzz over AI art and especially AI wiritng? Sure did! Lots of snake oil there, not so interesting.

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