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[-] alyaza@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 year ago

The fact that this is only an “opinion” is a fucking travesty

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 21 points 1 year ago

Indeed. Every moral person should understand this without being told.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 year ago

The fact that people don’t understand the differences in style and purpose between fact-based reporting and opinion pieces is a travesty. There is no way this can be anything other than an opinion piece because of its topic and tone. Whether you agree or disagree or find its position to be self-evident is irrelevant. It simply does not meet the standards of traditional fact-based reporting. Which people today don’t seem to understand the value of.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Obama changed the military's criteria for civilian deaths so he could pretend his numbers were lower.

I don't know that I'd call it an opinion. Civilian deaths are an eventuality we have no choice but to accept, especially here in the US, where we're making war in six, seven, or eight countries at once and it's normal.

[-] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

The travesty is how many people are unable to say this out loud. Everyone is stuck in their black & white tribalism, making them blind for their own sides atrocities.
You can be pro Palestine and still condemn Hamas. You can be critical of the Israeli government and still grief for all the innocent Hamas victims. It's not actually that hard to be a decent human being.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Sounds like you don't know what the word opinion means. Hint: literally any statement based on morality is an opinion.

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's an opinion, though. Not a fact. It's actually just one theory in ethics.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

The definition of what an opinion is is not an opinion.

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

No, but this is an opinion:

literally any statement based on morality is an opinion.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, it's not. Facts are statements about what is. Statements about what should be—which is what moral statements are—are always opinions.

I can't fucking believe I'm arguing with people who literally don't know what the word opinion means. It's not rocket science.

[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Perhaps you should read about more about the different theories surrounding whether morality is always objective "as a fact".

[-] autotldr 5 points 1 year ago

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Click here to see the summaryIsraeli defense minister Yoav Gallant announced “a complete siege” of the Gaza Strip that would sever electricity, gas, and even food and water supplies – to an already hardscrabble place.

In one rendition, everything that occurred on 7 October owes to the Israeli occupation of Palestinians – the Gaza Strip, though under siege, isn’t occupied by Israel, unlike the West Bank – and Hamas’s attack was therefore righteous resistance against oppression.

Hamas’s stabbing and shooting civilians and slitting their throats cannot, however, reasonably be described as a justifiable form of fighting repression; nor have such means been widely used historically by national liberation movements.

While Israeli leaders couldn’t possibly have stood passively after the attack, nor are they entitled to retaliate without restraint and with no regard to the distinction between armed combatants and unarmed civilians.

The imperative of discriminating between the two during armed conflicts is central to both international humanitarian law and just war theory because, in the political theorist Michael Walzer’s words, the latter are not “engaged in harm”.

Similarly, depriving all Gazans of the most basic requirements for survival amounts to collective punishment: every man, woman and child suffers, whether or not they are engaged in hostilities in any fashion.


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I wonder what Nelson Mandela would think about that.

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