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Would be interesting to see how well the stylus works on Linux. Would be the first Linux drawing tablet I’ve seen
It works as well as it does on Windows. I got to try them out in person during the event. They had windows and Arch installs on the 12. There's a slight lag, very similar to how it feels on Chromebooks.
my wacom is plug and play
Same here.
But it's not plug and play on windows, which I used to demonstrate that windows doesn't always have better hardware support.
If it uses the Microsoft Pen Protocol it works perfectly
On my Lenovo the touchscreen registered as a Wacom I believe. Should work similarly to a drawing screen I suppose?
This will be a good laptop for the younger crowd and students.
I also imagine schools investing in these, if the price is right.
Yeah.. right.. younger crowd and students..
Up to 2GB of NVMe storage? Sign me the fuck up.
I can't wait to install just the arch Linux TTY on that thing!
Is that rare? Seems like any laptop should support that.
It‘s about the typo. The laptop actually supports 2 TB of storage.
Thats what I assumed. Again, any laptop should support 2 TB of storage. Just swap the drive.
What you can't easily swap is RAM or processors. But storage, any laptop should be upgradable to 2T
It could be tremendous for Framework if they managed to secure some enterprise contracts with these, maybe for a few large school districts and the like. Something like this running ChromeOS or Ubuntu indeed would totally outclass what a lot of schools are using, and the repairability would be massively attractive (you wouldn’t believe how much and how badly kids beat up school laptops, not to mention their own).
I wouldn't buy one of these for myself. Screen is too small. Too plastic. Hot and power hungry Intel with shit graphics. Also don't like touch screens. But for a kid who likes to draw, loves colourful gadgets, and needs a BYD laptop for school next year, the only question is how much?
Definitely not my taste either, but I feel like the processor is the only real issue that isn't personal preference. With an amd refresh and depending on the price it seems like it could be quite good.
Reported as less than $1000
That's still pretty vague. The 13 starts at $750, if the 12 doesn't cost less than that, what's the point?
They said it was a competitor to the cheap student notebook, so the price better show that.
Prebuilt (minus OS) vs non prebuilt
Is the 12 going to be exclusively sold as I pre-built? I was thinking there would be a DIY option of the 12 as well?
I'd assume so.
The 13" is only less than $1000 when used or when you don't get memory, storage, expansion cards, etc. I'd assume the <$1000 price point for the 12" is including all that.
AFAIK they're keeping the older models at a permanent discount. So you'll be able to buy a fully built 13 with 4 USB ports and Windows installed for $900
That's a waste of $90 (for a w*nd*ws license)
It's a laptop, not a gaming computer. What did you expect.
I wasn't expecting it at all. It looks like an excellent device if they can get the production costs down. I have a kid who needs a school laptop for next year and this is under very strong consideration.
My other kids got MSI Moderns which is my benchmark for cheap and cheerful. Nobody gets too upset if they get knocked of a desk or someone comes off their bike, you can easily pay twice as much for comparable performance. School laptops only need to run MS Office and a browser and spending money on a Windows device is a waste. I will happily pay a small premium for a Framework but it can't be too crazy.
I'd expect at least a good screen and not a crappy 1080p LCD panel.
lot of people have been asking for a touch screen option for the 13 inch framework. Personally I never got why, i remember being given a first gen surface in high school and despising it with a passion, but here you go! Touch screen! Unfortunately it’s not a 13 inch upgrade, but still. Seems like a big part of the focus is as an option for kids at school which is cool.
Seems like it could be good as a drawing tablet, given it has a stylus and all. I’ll stick with my Wacom for now ( thank you Wacom on Linux project!).
Touch screens aren't useful on laptops that can't turn into a pseudo-tablet. I guess the 13" can but... Not really.
I am also loathe to think about the screen wobbling complaints given that weak hinges was such a concern.
The laptop isn't out yet. Give it a bit.
I meant if the 13" had a touch screen.
Ah.
You saw the wobble at their launch event.
I did not
I don't have one myself yet, but i have heard from a lot of friends and colleagues that as soon as you get a laptop with touch you just instinctively start using it even though they swore before they got it that it wasn't really useful. So I think it still has its use cases and has a value even for simple stuff like scrolling or quickly selecting menus or buttons for volume, play pause, okay, exit etc. when you don't have the mouse in your hand already. I can see myself using it when I'm working on something and have the laptop on the side to either read off documents or watching a video or using control software for a machine. People use their laptop for so many different things other than just sitting stationary with a mouse in their hand.
I'll take black on black
I'm sure we'll see AMD options sooner or later so I don't feel like that's a big deal.
I think it would be cool to see a premium version with all metal exterior. I'm sure it would just be a matter of replacing the panels. Or maybe a tablet based on these internals, since the internals seem to be exclusive to the 12 🤔
Personally I would love to see the 360 hinge tech come over the 13! The number of times I've been on a plane and have been worried about spilling my drink on my keyboard alone would justify the buy for me.
I guess a touch screen is the only way to make it marketable but I'd buy it with or without. Once I start my movie I only really care to play/pause, which I can do with my headphones.
Well, here you go. Tuxedo has a 14" version (unless you meant a Framework specific one).
https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-InfinityFlex-14-Gen1.tuxedo
I was just looking at one since I'm considering replacing my 2013 laptop which is getting a bit long in the tooth. It still works fine but (admittedly non-essential) bits are starting to fall off. 😆
Neat! I do already own a framework though