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[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Really, how do we get viable third parties? How do we change the voting system to not have " spoiler candidates "? The binary is rotting us.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

how do we get viable third parties?

By having a third party that's willing to put in the work and do things the right way.

So, instead of having a do-nothing candidate like Jill Stein who shows up right before every election, then disappears again after only obtaining a half of a single percent of the total votes, we'd have to have a third party that started focusing on winning local/state elections. That would allow them to start having more than ZERO members in the houses of Congress, which is currently the case. And once they have members in Congress, from various districts around the country, then they'd have a real chance at running a presidential candidate who can win.

Make no mistake. Anyone that currently votes for a 3rd party candidate for president is an utter fool. And there are A LOT of them on Lemmy. A 3rd party cannot win. They are nowhere near winning. Because they haven't put in the work to create a coalition to actually start having a presence in our government.

[–] ChokingHazard@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don’t neglect that Stein was a Russian plant to spoil the election. Follow the money and Stein’s activities pre and post election.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not by going directly for a moonshot at the presidency. You spend years getting people involved in local politics, then work your way up. State and local governments have power, even if it's "boring".

That or a coup or other violent, abrupt, wildcards.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Local government isn't boring. It's infuriating. It's like if you gave the worst HOAs a police force.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Whatever it is, most people don't engage with it.

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[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 6 points 1 day ago

We're nowhere near to it. It has to be a grassroots effort from convincing all of our population it is necessary. Because neither the DNC or the RNC really want it. More parties means they lose power. The DNC pretends to not be opposed, but they undermine third parties all the time. We have to fix first past the post, and neither party is going to help with that.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Whoever it is, they need to be charismatic and young (for a politician). AOC would work in that sense.

I actually think Kamala worked too. Her non-election was due to other reasons, mostly Biden's mistakes and that fucking assassination attempt. That shooter fucked up in so many levels, I hope he's being tortured somewhere.

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[–] FireAtWill@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Yes, the Dems are fatally infected by AIPAC and are best put out of their misery. That said, given the people voted for Trump, they're unlikely to vote for AOC. She doesn't appeal to knuckle-draggers.

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[–] Necroscope0@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

You do know that "they" do not pick the candidates right? It is called a primary election and it is where anyone registered in the party can go and vote for WHO they want to be the candidate. It is the part of the election that is voted on by the tiniest little minority of both parties but has the absolute biggest impact on the race.

You don't like the shit ass candidate for your party? If you did not vote in the primaries then you have no right to complain. Go vote in the primaries and complain away. Otherwise suck it up and suffer, just like all the non voters who are hating Trump at the moment. Got no one to blame but yourselves.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It'll be Shapiro or Blinken. Its still all about the $$ at the DNC. Nothing else matters.

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