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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I'm fine with conservative media in theory, but the problem with conservative media these days is just the constant blatant lying.

I think there's definitely room for conservative voices, like:

  • Conserving the environment.
  • Putting checks and balances on AI and technology in general
  • Maintaining non-harmful cultural traditions (Morris Dancing is cringe, but it should still be around)
  • Promoting an emphasis on local community and family rather than individualism fuelling the capitalist system

Even traditions that have been harmful can be recontextualised and maintained and used as a means of teaching, rather than thrown out entirely in the name of progress. People are so drawn to places like Japan (at least partially) because they maintain their traditions and seek to conserve what they have rather than constantly push forward and bulldoze everything old because it's old. Obviously not everyone believes in the traditions, but they keep them anyway.

Nowadays though? Conservatives have basically tossed all of that in favor of allowing capital to completely bulldoze over traditions and then blaming the ensuing misery on the gays.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

I don't think political conservatism has ever meant caring about conserving heritage and nature. From the inception of the concept in the 18th century to now, it's always been about conserving (or bringing back) inequality in power and wealth. It was never about preserving nature or protecting other people their way of life. Then and now, the credo of the conservative movement might just as well be "I want rules for thee but not for me".

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Imagine a world where news was balanced and progressives had equal media representation.

[–] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world -4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Really? We would be better after blocking quite the range of views we don't like?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

No, just the views that are constant lies

Conservatism in the use has nothing to do with actual conservative thoughts, quite the opposite, really. It's just a cover for the rich to steal from, and control the poor.

Ant conservative media in the use today is just one large stream of lies, lies, lies. Anything to keep you distracted from the fact that they're stealing the coffers empty, anything to keep you so angry about "the others" that you wo t even consider talking to them to realise that you've been played

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

not the views we don't like, but the ones that cause harm and suffering for western societies.

[–] the_three_tomatoes@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

And where do we draw that line? And why only Western?

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

And where do we draw that line? And why only Western?

as i said to the previous poster, "i believe neuroscience has the ability to quantify suffering."

i speak of western cultures because we are so obsessed with individual liberty that we will be the hardest to convince that some censorship in the interest of promoting a healthy society is possible and needed.

And where do we draw that line? And why only Western?

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee -2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

“Ones that cause harm and suffering” is subjective though.

Blocking online content, even ones we don’t like, is a slippery slope

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago

i believe it can be objective. i believe neuroscience has the ability to quantify suffering. i believe if we spent more time studying neuroscience and the health of a society, this could all be feasible.

i agree that censorship of things we 'don't like' is not a society i want to live in. i just think that there are objective answers to what now seems like vague questions.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -2 points 2 hours ago

As in all conservative opinions.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

looks like cool discussion downwind but why should we even argue about what is "conservative"

you're interested in conserving resources? you got some canned food in your cubbard? you tried to teach your kid whatever bullshit you thought was important from your folks? BOOM you're a Filthy Conservative.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm interested in conserving the word "cupboard"

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

damn swear i knew some one on the internet would come after for that

you're not wrong though

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Old Mother Hubbard glares disapprovingly

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 hours ago

some individual should explain to her about phonetic spelling and it's all irrelevant, as long as you understand the context and hopefully the nuance

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 98 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I am so sick of the word conservative. It's not conservative, it's fucking regressive. It's back sliding our society into a world that never really existed in the first place.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 33 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

It’s not conservative, it’s fucking regressive.

I mean, Liberals aren't particularly liberal and far too many of the Progressives are barely progressive. Libertarians don't seem that interested in liberty. Centrists can't find the center. Plutocrats are immolating their capital. The Meritocrats are unqualified. The Technocrats are incompetent. Only the Fascists seem intent on delivering results consistent with their brand.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The democratic party is run by conservatives that are keeping the liberals and progressives in check. The republican party is so far off the deep end we need a new word for what they are.

[–] Lime66@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

I've managed to find a few that can describe the Republicans:

  • Nazis
  • Neo-Nazis
[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I don't disagree. The world liberal is wasted on the Democratic party. They're not liberal. They're just the only valid opposition to the Nazis. Even if their policies are conservative.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago

They’re just the only valid opposition to the Nazis.

I think you're asking "opposition" to do more heavy lifting than it can bear in that sentence.

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 23 points 23 hours ago

I say this all the time and somehow people just can't see it. Who cares what they call themselves. Its what they do and what they want that describes them.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

"Conservative" just means "extreme far-right" now.

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