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As a non-American, I'm very confused by this. If it's a town, it's not rural by definition. Because, you-know, it's urban.

Also, could we get a definition of town vs small town. Do you not have the concept of a village? (Village in the UK would be a settlement with a population of a couple of thousand, with usually a pub, local shop, maybe a post office and primary school if you're lucky).

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[–] Contemporarium@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There’s villages, towns and cities.

Cities can have unlimited traffic lights, towns are limited, and villages can have one.

I moved from Orange County CA to the rust belt and there are a lot of former thriving towns around the main city I live in that have since turned to villages. It’s wild because you’ll see intersections that obviously used to have lights that now have stop signs or just nothing

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've never once heard an American use the term "village" to describe a municipality, even ironically.

[–] tmyakal@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

It's dependent on a given state's terminology. New York, for example, has villages. They're municipalities that fall within towns, but collectively offer additional services that the town does not. So I could live in the village of Pomona, in the town of Haverstraw, and I'd need to pay taxes to the village and the town separately.

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[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

You’re familiar with market towns in the UK? A bit like one of those but with hours and hours of agricultural land all around it. A solitary high street in the middle of nowhere.

N.B. I’m not USian so don’t know what I’m on about…

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 6 points 1 month ago

Colloquially, it just means a small municipality. A "rural town" is a small municipality that is not near a larger metro area.

Town has a specific meaning in some states. I'm from Ohio. There is no such legal meaning here. Any municipality over 5k residents is a city. Anything other than that is a village. I am from a city with a population of about 6k. Outside of the city limits is farmland. I would say I'm from a small town/rural area.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Caveat: none of these are formal definitions. This is what I am thinking of when using or hearing these terms.

I wouldn't call it an "urban" area unless I can see a privately-owned 4+ story building with an elevator. Government buildings don't count: they might be the sole example of a 4+ story building within 50 miles. Partial elevator access (intended for handicap compliance to the lower floors) doesn't count.

"Suburban" extends from the limits of the urban area, out to where the farms or forests are larger than 100 acres. Suburban areas are primarily comprised of single family homes, but you may also find 1-3 floor apartment complexes.

"Rural" is anywhere outside of both urban and suburban areas.

A commercial or mixed commercial/residential area - that isn't large or congested enough to be considered an "urban" area on its own - would be a "town". A "rural town" would be a town not connected to a suburban or urban area: you can't get to a city without passing large farms or forests.

A town won't have its own police force. They will rely on the county sheriff's department for law enforcement activity. Once it is large enough to have its own police, it becomes a "city".

In my area, a "village" is a town populated exclusively by people with twice the median income.

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[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I grew up in a village in Ohio, population around 350, which was pushing the numbers honestly. Around 1000 is a town I think.

A nearby "city" is constantly in and out of city status. They always try to bump the numbers because city status means more funding. They are around 25000 pop.

[–] atk007@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Rural usually means Hillbillies.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago

"urban" means city, not town

[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I live in ely nv it is the most remote area in the lower 48 states. It is 4 hours from Las Vegas, 5 hours from Salt Lake City, 5.5 hours from Reno, and 4.5 hours from Boise. There are some other towns along the way to each city be ely is basically in the middle of nowhere.

[–] PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This sounds great to me. What do you do for work? I'm assuming it's mostly desert down there so not farming.

[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

I work in the mining industry I’ve been doing it for 20 years now it pays good and I live in north eastern Nevada and it’s not really desert it’s kinda mountainous with flat valleys. The towns population is about 4k I was born and raised here. The only really bad thing which I consider big is the deep conservative mindset of pretty much 95% of everyone here.

[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have Hughesnet it’s not the best to have but the only option is this and Starlink and I’m not giving my money to musk. Supposedly google fiber will be here in a year or so but I’ve been hearing about that since 2020.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Has Google deployed any new Google fiber locations in about 10 years?

[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don’t think so honestly idk.

[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing that, my dood.

It's been bugging me for years that many rural ppl didn't have internet. Nowadays it's almost a necessity of life. Also, thanks for not giving Musk any money.

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[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How many dollar stores are required for it to be classified as a town?

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[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

I think of a rural town to be an area big enough to have a name but too small to have its own police department (so all law enforcement is done by a sheriff's office and/or state police).

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A small town would be a village in the UK. But because we're big tough MURICAN people we can't just call it that cuz who knows? Like you said, it would be a few thousand people living a slightly inconvenient distance from a larger urban area.

I used to live in the state of Georgia. In South Georgia there were 2 big towns. I'd go so far as to call them decently sized Cities. Albany and Valdosta. And scattered all over the place are smaller towns like Baconton for instance. Baconton would barely qualify as a small town. The biggest attraction was a small grocery store on the side of I-75.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd call Albany and Valdosta cities. Baconton? Never heard of it. Small town in my book.

EDIT: Just looked. Hell, you got a Dollar General and a school? Small city. :)

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[–] tymon@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

I've lived in 20 different cities/towns/villages across five States, and I can tell you that no one really knows how to define these things accurately, at least in common parlance.

Tappahannock VA is absolutely what I'd consider to be a rural town, but when compared to a place like Waterboro ME, it feels positively metropolitan.

I think, in general, a "rural town" is usually understood to be a relatively small, centralized area of mixed-use zoning in typically agricultural regions; a population under 10,000 with a few main streets with things like general stores, a few diners or restaurants, a grocery market, and single-family homes. These places almost always grow around farmland.

A "village" might be something more along the lines of Pleasantville NY or Cornish ME. They don't rely on agriculture and have centralized social dynamics.

There's also, wildly, a difference between "rural towns" and "small towns." Golden CO is not a rural town, even though it shares many of the characteristics of one. It's a "small town."

That being said, people from New York City will often refer to Boston as a "town" so I guess a lot of this is relative.

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lived in Sidney, NE when I was super young. Population 6,000 and ain't shit around it but corn, missile silos, I-80, and the occasional train derailment.

[–] insomniac_lemon@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

On paper sure they are villages, but I think a US village and one from elsewhere would likely feel drastically different. Lacking actual community (see Bowling Alone), or just look at all of the things that the village lost (shops, train station, industry etc) and what it still has(franchise dollar store, gas station etc).

It could just be coincidence, though "retirement village" is a term (also ecovillages) so maybe not. Aside from decay, I'd imagine the common perspective of blink-and-you'll-miss-it (unless you stop for gas/maybe breakfast) probably doesn't help with image either.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I pay village taxes and town & county taxes. 😟

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

A village would be an "unincorporated town" in the US, administered under the county. There are a few actual incorporated villages, but they are small towns that just chose to call themselves that.

The main difference is that an incorporated city/town/etc has its own municiple government ... a "village" would still be run by the county.

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