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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There is no both siding this, the Zionists are genocidal and there are no good zionists. This should be shocking to nobody. Im Jewish and ill say this as many times as I need to

ANTIZIONISM IS NOT ANTISEMITISM

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[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 57 points 4 days ago

This just in: The country that has been doing ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians for 77 years is still okay with doing ethnic cleansing.

[–] Vupperware@lemm.ee 41 points 4 days ago

They’ve literally been doing this shit since they pushed the Palestinians out of the way almost eighty fucking years ago. Of course the population is okay with it.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago

You build a state out of colonialism, you get a state of colonialists.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 64 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (23 children)

My understanding is that Israeli TV is hugely responsible for making this mainstream. Just like in Rwanda where radio played a huge role in the genocide.

It's almost as if genocide scholars have been warning about a series of patterns over the last couple of years...

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

The genocidal ideology of zionism is their hegemonic narrative. It's much bigger than just TV. It's also the schools, politicians, cops/prisons, compulsory terrorism, etc. Genocide is the basis of their entire "society".

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 126 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

The Israeli media has been full of overt calls for and endorsements of just outright genocide for over a year now.

At one point a prime time media show was 'debating' just fucking nuking Gaza.

Israeli social media has also been absolutely full of average people with genocidal rhetoric for over a year.

... They just say it in Hebrew, not English... most of the time.

This isn't suprising to anyone who can use google translate, or read supplied English subtitles/captions.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Reading about this stuff on the Israeli lead news network KAN is... Interesting. When the complete eradication of Gazans is being talked about it's very blasé and never takes responsibility. For example, this report says Hamas are in fact the ones screwing up Gaza aid efforts, and this one richly claims that the IDF did not kill anyone at an aid site. The IDF alleges that they investigated themselves and found that they weren't guilty.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 5 days ago (7 children)

The entire last twoish years have have been doubly insane for people like myself, because:

Though I am not Jewish, my cousins all are. They are all secular, American, liberal to lefty Jews by the heritage and ethnicity of their father, and his culture that they maintain.

They are all against the genocide, but according to current, general, right wing sentiment... they either don't exist or are self hating.

I can only imagine this has all been even more insane for them.

Nearly every pro-Palestine protest on every campus in the US that I've read about or seem... has at bare minimum had sizeable numbers of Jewish Americans at it, if not being co-organized by them or headlining them as speakers.

... Meanwhile, I've been anti Zionist my whole life, and every single actual Israeli I've ever met has been a racist, anti-Islamic Zionist... and when I point this out, almost every white liberal or self described lefty has called me an antisemite.

Then on my own side of the family, my dad and my uncle just actually are racist anti-semites, making 'off color jokes' about Jews being greedy and money obsessed at fucking family gatherings literally in the faces of my cousins and their dad.

Oh well I guess?

Politics evolves to become defined by the hypocrises and contradictions no one is capable of having a rational discussion about.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 44 points 5 days ago (1 children)

For years Israel has been running around the world, waving their foes statements about “pushing Israel into the sea” as a call to arms against atrocity.

And now here they are, committing that very atrocity. But genocide seems inevitable when your stated goal is to be an ethnostate.

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[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 85 points 5 days ago

As a Native American my heart goes out to all Palestinians effected by these ignorant Zionist we must be better than this we can be better than this.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 60 points 5 days ago

Shocking. Israel has successfully dehumanized the entire Palestinian population.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111

This was over a year ago:

"Israeli government accounts on the social media site X have been posting a video with a quote from a freed hostage, in which she says that “there are no innocent civilians” in Gaza."

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (38 children)

as someone with Israeli friends, I always figured this to be the case. they bemoan having to think about bomb shelters because of the occasional rocket that gets fired over into israel. they legitimately believe that Muslim countries hate them, and Muslims in general want to kill them. they live in the Old testament of the Bible, and anything that happens to Gaza is the will of God.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 18 points 4 days ago (5 children)

they legitimately believe that Muslim countries hate them, and Muslims in general want to kill them

This is plausible, but not entirely without a reason. I stopped taking sides in this mess long ago.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

Jews and Muslims have had many extensive periods of peace living together (including in Palestine before the state of Israel). The story of Islamic-Jewish hostilities is actually fairly recent and shorter than you'd expect.

Antisemitism as we know it today is mostly a European export to the Middle East.

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (7 children)

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”

— David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938

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[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 53 points 5 days ago

Absolutely disgusting. Our common ancestors are rolling over in their graves at their inhumanity.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 50 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Say it loud for those in the back, it’s not just the leaders.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I noticed on LinkedIn that a ton of my former colleagues from Israel are now in the US. I think shifting demographics as progressives leave are a bigger part of the story than the shifting opinions these stories have been about.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

The wider truth is that anyone who's remotely sane or empathetic is driven out of the zio regime. I have a friend who grew up under the regime and resisted the mandatory terrorism. He was put in prison, then he was harassed and threatened with death until he fled to USA. This dude is an exceptionally great person and for that reason he was violently forced out.

So whom does that leave over there? Only the most genocidal wackos. Thus, this completely unsurprising poll.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you know anything about the genocidal ideology of zionism, this should be absolutely no surprise. It's always been like this. Haven't people watched any interviews with zios? Don't y'all know any zios? These people are brainwashed racists at best.

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

Anyone surprised? Nasi state governed by nazis, who were elected by nazis thinking they are more than others. Fuck israel.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago

It'd be more surprising if the ingroup of an established ethnostate weren't hitlerites.

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Just like in Nazi Germany, the entire Israeli population is complicit.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 21 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Not to be super technical but "most" is not the same as "all".

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

waiting for bill maher who claimed muslims were inferior because some muslim countries supposedly supported this and that according to random polls. surely he will be consistent.

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[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

Holocaust in actio

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