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[–] wellbuddyweek@lemm.ee 84 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Actually, those are not the same. Natural numbers include zero, positive integers do not. She shoud definately use 'big naturals'.

Edit: although you could argue that it doesnt matter as 0 is arguably neither big nor large

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Strictly positive numbers, Z~0~^+^, don't include zero. Positive numbers aka naturals, Z^+^ = N, do.

Edit: this is what I've learned at school, but according to wikipedia the definitions of these vary quite a bit

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world -3 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Natural numbers include zero

Only if you're French or a computer scientist or something! No one else counts from zero.

There's nothing natural about zero. The famously organized and inventive Roman Empire did fine without it and it wasn't a popular concept in Europe until the early thirteenth century.

If zero were natural like 1, 2, 3, 4, then all cultures would have counted from zero, but they absolutely did not.

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[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Natural numbers only include zero if you define it so in the beginning of your book/paper/whatever. Otherwise it's ambiguous and you should be ashamed of yourself.

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[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 50 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Natural numbers include zero

That is a divisive opinion and not actually a fact

[–] lengau@midwest.social 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah I find it easier to just accept the terminology of natural numbers and whole numbers so we have simple names for both.

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[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

Depends on how you draw it.

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[–] Atlusb@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago

Also in an aqueous environment, they become floating point values.

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago

Big Naturals Are More Pronounced

ftfy

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I don't care if they're big, as long as they're real

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 week ago

That's true OP, "big naturals" are indeed very pronounced.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

we like to see those Double negative intergers.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 1 week ago
[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I like natural more as well because numbers aren’t real and claiming otherwise is just blue-balling all the nerds

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