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[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (11 children)

I think it's important to note (i'm not an llm I know that phrase triggers you to assume I am) that they haven't proven this as an inherent architectural issue, which I think would be the next step to the assertion.

do we know that they don't and are incapable of reasoning, or do we just know that for x problems they jump to memorized solutions, is it possible to create an arrangement of weights that can genuinely reason, even if the current models don't? That's the big question that needs answered. It's still possible that we just haven't properly incentivized reason over memorization during training.

if someone can objectively answer "no" to that, the bubble collapses.

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 1 day ago

No way!

Statistical Language models don't reason?

But OpenAI, robots taking over!

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

So, what your saying here is that the A in AI actually stands for artificial, and it's not really intelligent and reasoning.

Huh.

[–] coolmojo@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

The AI stands for Actually Indians /s

[–] Nanook@lemm.ee 227 points 1 day ago (51 children)

lol is this news? I mean we call it AI, but it’s just LLM and variants it doesn’t think.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Proving it matters. Science is constantly proving any other thing that people believe is obvious because people have an uncanning ability to believe things that are false. Some people will believe things long after science has proven them false.

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 76 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The "Apple" part. CEOs only care what companies say.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Apple is significantly behind and arrived late to the whole AI hype, so of course it's in their absolute best interest to keep showing how LLMs aren't special or amazingly revolutionary.

They're not wrong, but the motivation is also pretty clear.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 day ago

Apple always arrives late to any new tech, doesn't mean they haven't been working on it behind the scenes for just as long though...

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

“Late to the hype” is actually a good thing. Gen AI is a scam wrapped in idiocy wrapped in a joke. That Apple is slow to ape the idiocy of microsoft is just fine.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

No shit. This isn't new.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Most humans don't reason. They just parrot shit too. The design is very human.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

LLMs deal with tokens. Essentially, predicting a series of bytes.

Humans do much, much, much, much, much, much, much more than that.

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 8 points 22 hours ago

I hate this analogy. As a throwaway whimsical quip it'd be fine, but it's specious enough that I keep seeing it used earnestly by people who think that LLMs are in any way sentient or conscious, so it's lowered my tolerance for it as a topic even if you did intend it flippantly.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Thata why ceo love them. When your job is 90% spewing bs a machine that does that is impressive

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

this is so Apple, claiming to invent or discover something "first" 3 years later than the rest of the market

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