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[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago

Yikes. Is this from the "committee to save endangered ideologies"? Which think tank came up with this lol

[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Nationalism is only good when people are fighting colonialism, e.g. palestine or british era India.

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 4 weeks ago

"Nationalism is the best defense against invasion" is something fascists and rebellions against empires agree on.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 4 points 4 weeks ago

Brazilian "patriots" bow to USA demands, so they're also dumb

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 4 weeks ago

I will add that ethnicity, religious identification or lack thereof, or nationality doesn't exempt anyone. USA and Christianity aren't the first, only, or last to reinvent and suppress the parts of history we don't like, but we're certainly going full throttle, along with some other states and religions.

um, no... Americocentric again

Nationalism has to do with pride in a shared cultural identity, whereas Patriotism is pride for one's country.

in other countries, there are strong cultural ties that bond people together. shared language. a relationship to the land. hundreds if not thousands of years of history. some countries have dozens of such groups.

nationalism is a person from that group taking pride in that identity. patriotism is taking pride in your country as a whole. so for example, you can be proud to be Gujarati, and you can be proud to be Indian.

now, in the United States, there really isn't a national identity beyond shopping malls and jingoism. so i can see how nationalism is rarely seen positively. all you get of it is nazis and fake irish frat bros.

but, no, really I think patriotism is a far bigger problem than nationalism. one's language is your flesh and blood, it's who you are. what the fuck does a country mean to you? the people who lock you up?

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Patriotism: Pride in your country for what it does.

Nationalism: Pride in your country in spite of what it does.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Let me fix that for you:

Patriotism: Pride in a nation-state.

Nationalism: Pride in a nation-state.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

America has done so few things to be proud of and so many things to be ashamed of that it’s impossible for me to feel patriotism.

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