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[–] kilorat@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It's weird how he states it so plainly, yet people misunderstand it. It's not for everyone. Some people specifically are willing to work at an unstable startup company, and can commit long hours in exchange for ownership of the company. They get a big reward if things go well. If the company just paid a paycheck, that would be exploitative. he's not talking about a shitty job where you're asked to work long hours because some rich assholes need line to go up. It's totally valid to want just a stable job where you go in, do your fucking job, then go home, and get paid, then live your passions outside of work. Get that work/life balance, that should be your choice. This guy is not talking about that kind of job. You guys are a bit too extreme, it can be fulfilling to work hard and get rewarded, just because you had a bad experience working for an exploitative big company doesn't mean all work is like that. If you have a lot of shares, then you're part owner. If they don't offer equity then fuck that, they can't expect anyone to put up with long hours, and what kind of cuck would get enjoyment about making other people rich?

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

80 hours/week is not sustainable. Anyone who truly works that will be burnt out in short order. Research shows long work hours are counterproductive, especially in "creative" types of work such as engineering. A lot of startup founders have pretty strong anti-dillution protections while the employees don't. 90% of startups just fail, 10% "succeed" but most don't pay out significant amounts to employees (and are then often laid off), and maybe 1-2% have explosive growth that may pay off enough for the employees to offset their initial sacrifice.

[–] kilorat@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

It's not sustainable, but with startups the goal is to either get big, or fail, over the span of a few years. You're not supposed to be at that level forever. If someone tries to that, we would call them a workaholic, and they will probably later regret not seeing more of the world while they were still young.

[–] Vreyan31@reddthat.com 1 points 6 days ago

Startups typically have to offer both higher pay and a lot of shares.

[–] darkmarx@lemmy.world 364 points 1 week ago (31 children)

Every year, we do an employee survey to see how management is doing; like a report card for management. In the last 3 years, mine has come back with the highest company scores for employee engagement, job satisfaction, and project completion rate. I was asked to give a presentation to the other officers and managers about things I do to get those scores.

The presentation was basically one slide that I expanded to 10. It came down to creating the expectation, for the folks who report to me, that a work week is 37.5 hours (our full-time week) and no more. I make it clear that if my team is working overtime, I've failed. If that happens, together we look at their project commitments and reduce the workload, or get training, or whatever is needed.

Working folks to the point of burnout is NEVER a valid solution. Respecting personal time pays dividends to everyone. It's amazing how treating people like adults makes them happier and more productive. It's such a low bar and yet seems so foreign to people.

After my presentation, multiple execs argued thar I'd get more done if I pushed my team harder. Our company President pulled up all of our project completion rates, and asked them to explain the discrepancy. The three who complained the most about my approach were in the bottom five.

Data continually shows people are happy when they have a solid, predictable, work life balance. Happy people are more productive and are willing to do more in the long run. And they stick around, so you don't have to keep looking for new employees. Everyone wins. Yet, there is such a resistance to it by certain people, and I don't understand why.

Tldr: Expecting your people to give up their personal life for work, it's a clear sign that you are a terrible leader.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 170 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Sounds exploitative because it is. Just because work is your entire personality doesn’t mean every one else’s should be too. Fucking tool

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 141 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Dude, you're pulling 80 hour weeks for your company. That you own. Expecting the same input from people who will never see as much as a percentage of what you stand to make off of their success is delusional. But I suppose delusion is almost a requirement for these kind of people.

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