Europe community on dbzer0. Intended to be a place to discuss European news, politics, or just general topics from a European perspective. Since this is on dbzer0 expect the community to lean more leftist-anarchist but a wide range of views are accepted here (within reason).
Rules:
1. No Bigotry or Hate Speech
Any forms of Homophobia, Transphobia, Queerphobia, Racism, or Ableism will be met with swift and harsh action and will not be tolerated here whatsoever. Bigots will be banned immediately on-sight. This includes apologia of it.
Trying to be politely or intellectually bigoted i.e. "Just asking questions" won't be tolerated.
2. No Zionism
Any forms of Zionism or Zionist rhetoric will not be tolerated here, this includes Zionist apologia, accusations of antisemitism towards anti-Zionists, or blatant denial or downplaying of the genocide towards Palestinians. Any attempt to uphold or prop up the IHRA definition of antisemitism, will be treated as Zionism.
Anyone engaging in Pro-Zionist sentiment or apologia will be actioned in accordance with its severity.
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Note: Rules 1 & 2 may be subject to preemptive mod action due to their severity, and they apply to a user's entire post history. Not just this community.
Regardless of anything else you might think, you just have to admit that this rationale is bullshit:
“It is unquestionable that this would endanger the sense of security of many Jews, especially at this site,” the court said.
It is not unquestionable that wearing a keffiyeh would endanger anyone's sense of security.
Argue about anything else, but you cannot actually defend that "it is unquestionable".
Israeli jews are doing a genocide but you have you thought about the feelz of the coddled westoid jew?
I actually care very very much about the "feelz" of diaspora jews, who are actually not "coddled", as evidenced by (a) antisemitic attacks (actual ones, not IHRA fake ones), and (b) the number of people lured by the fake Zionist promise of aliyah. anti-Semitism is very real, in the West as well. But the danger to western Jews is not in the pro-palestinian movement, it's with the Far Right and its neolib enablers. The Christian Zionists are a far bigger threat to Jews who in Israel they have found the ideal "Madagascar" to get rid of the diaspora.
You are proving my point, thank you.
freedom of expression no longer exists in Germany or is it just bigotry against the keffiyeh?
Palestine activists are hurting the cause if they can't even show basic decency at a concentration camp. The people who died there have nothing to do with what is going on now in Gaza.
Nah. Just not the place and time for political protests.
Edit: they stated it was explicitly political and not a random occurrence.
You know what's insulting? All those people posing at the train tracks as if they're having a 'fun day out' at the concentration camps.
Granted most of that happens in Poland in Auschwitz, but my point is that nobody gets sued for that, but apparently wearing a scarf with a certain pattern?! Noooo, we can't have that here in "free Germany"! That is not done!
Zionism has drenched the society of Germany.
It is never time for political protests in Europe if the protest is against israeli Jews doing a genocide
Can I ban people from entering my store for wearing a cross, because it might upset some jewish customers and I feel that such an act is political, using this ruling?
A store is not a memorial and it ain't just a scarf, but a political statement piece on the Jewish policies. You are allowed to ban people from your premises. They might fight back.
This is very much not a good faith comparison.
Litmus test: what would you say if the shoe was on the other foot. A kyfiyeh is a cultural clothing item. So is a kippah. Would it be acceptable to ban kippahs from a memorial about the Nakba or the Gaza genocide?
Freedom of speech does not apply in concentration camps. If you visit, you're obligated to be respectful. It's no place for any kind of political protest, fun or other disrespectful behaviour.
And wearing a certain color scarf is now disrespectful?
As disrespectful as spraying paint onto gravestones. Last Generation style.
It's disrespectful by abusing the camp for a political aim or protest that's completely unrelated. It spits on the shame of the inhumane industrial genocide that was perpetrated there.
No political symbols of any kind should be brought to such a place. Anyone who does deserves to be beaten up right then and there.
You are right... Genocide today is not related to genocide in 1940s.
I am sure vicitms of old genocide wouldn't want to be disrespected by the people opposing genocide today. 🤡
The only German freedom is the freedom to commit ethnic cleansing
They are making the Holocaust right today by helping Israel do a genocide....
Only the Jews died in the Holocaust! Never forget!
They really have darvo down to a science there.
Makes sense. This is not the place for such a protest. Just like homeless shelters not being a place for protests regarding climate change.
That is honestly the first anti-Palestinian action I can understand. Concentrations camps shall not be used for any kind of political statement or protest. It's insulting to the victims of those camps. Any form of disrespectful behaviour should be punished way more harshly and legally in camp tours / visits.
Whats insulting to victims is how nazis got trials and went on to work in USA, on the account of being white. Meanwhile, hamas "terrorists" gets bombed along with their family, neighbors and the whole fuckin city with IDF playing judge jury and executioner.
Raising concern for an ongoing genocide shouldn't offend anyone but the complicit.
That still has no place on the grounds of a former concentration camp.
It shows that people who complain about this being banned on concentration camp grounds have never visited one.