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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 37 minutes ago

Weird. I haven’t had a garage in a most of the places I’ve lived as an adult and I drive electric and charge at home just fine.

[–] oh_@lemmy.world 21 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

What about transit? Why do Americans always have to drive. We need real alternatives to cars.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

The suburban sprawl makes building transit a lot harder but to fix that we need to increase density but then it’s hard to increase density when you need space for cars because you have no usable transit

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 24 minutes ago

Infrastructure alone to Bungalow jungle is never cost-effective: as Detroit learned, it never pays for itself with property tax.

I say we jack the property tax on low-dense residential to properly reflect a 20-year amortization and all the operating expenses of the infrastructure used, all the way back to City Hall, so that it does pay for itself (and the farther out, the more expensive to fix, the more expensive the tax).

At the same time, the city will

  • wreck a park (wait for it)
  • put up 40 storeys of mixed use
  • offer to buy the shitty bungalows around the building, with an option to buy into ready condo space
  • same for businesses, because #mixed-use
  • use adjacent bungalow space for central square. Start with transit station underneath
  • build 7 more towers
  • offer same buy-up to adjacent bungalows
  • surround with greenspace and one really ineffective laneway to connect garages under building with roadway out there
  • begin offering more incentives for bungalow people to give up their home for agri space and move into mixed-use
  • repeat until city is transformed to efficient walkable oases linked by transit

People think they can't do apartments, but I'm sure a spacious 1200sqft place planned with an eye to sight-lines isn't what they're thinking. We love our (smaller) apartment near the mixed-use block that sprung up , and everything we need is within that block. From daycares and pet stores to restaurants and coffee-shops and take-out, and gyms (plural) and insurers and a market and a chemist and an insurer and a physio... it's endless, and they're still building out more commercial space.

But you have to build the new space, properly configured with GOOD (rail) transit, before you can get people out of their cars.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It's really isn't difficult

Our government just won't spend the money to do it

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

If you want useful public transit then it needs to connect population centers where people are. People are lazy and don’t want to walk more than 1/2 mile to a bus stop so if you have a population density of 1000/ sq mi that means any one bus stop is only going to be able to provide adequate coverage to 250 people. With so few people per stop it needs to make a lot of stops to be useful which then makes it slow which further lowers use. At that density it also doesn’t make logical sense to have designated bus lanes so they are stuck going slow in traffic as well. So now you have an expensive system that nobody uses because it sucks

If you have higher density then you can justify more lines which makes them actually useful and can add things like light rails which really make a difference

Bike transit is usually easier in those lower density areas but due to the low density getting between places is usually a bit further away so there are usually higher speed limit roads that aren’t as good for cyclists so more expensive barriers need to be constructed or they have to follow less direct paths which causes cycling to be slow

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Most suburbs have plenty of density to support transit as proved in other countries that provide good transit to their areas of similar density. However most suburbs have such bad transit you can't use it for anything and to people start believing the idea that it is impossible to get them good transit and so they won't agree to get it.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

The American style suburbs where you have just single family homes and the closest stores are 5 miles away?

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I live in the suburbs. The older kids can bike to the local Walmart (save it) as there is a pedestrian tunnel that crosses under the main road, providing a complete pedestrian/bike path from one end of the town to the other.

I'd prefer if we had more of those, but it's something.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

That’s amazing you guys have actual transit infrastructure, near me you can find that in towns and cities but as soon as you get to the cookie cutter suburban developments you need to take 45mph roads with little to no shoulder to get to any stores

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 2 points 2 hours ago

Most suburbs a store is not that far. you will often drive more than that for a store you like but something is closer.

american suburb covers a lot of variation. If you have a horse as some of the least dense support that is different from ones where you get a postage stamp lot. Streetcar suburbs designed before cars are ess dense than the new developments they are putting is around me today.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Chicken and egg situation, Americans drive because that’s how their cities and suburbs are laid out (excluding NYC, for the most part).

They don’t rely on alternatives because they are slow, inconvenient or non-existent; alternatives can’t be built up as the costs can’t be justified based on existing patronage levels.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Plenty of US cities are built like NY, on grids, as circles, etc. The problem is that everything is far away.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

It’s not so much about being built on a grid, but rather being built with a particularly high population density in mind - and further supported by a robust public transit network.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 3 points 6 hours ago

No, the problem is the network matters. When you can't get anywhere on transit you don't use it and in turn won't help improve it. I've many times looked at the transit options available to me and found I was unable to get my errand done on transit so I was forced to drive. One place I lived I checked and transit could do the job so I sold my car (but my wife still had hers because there were still many things we couldn't do on transit)

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 3 points 11 hours ago

transit

"We mean electric cars, you commie! The next time you talk about that thing, you are going out that window."

\s

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 22 points 14 hours ago

People can't afford a new car, let alone an EV, let alone a carport or car hole.

This is just tone deaf poor blaming.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Stupid article. You don't need 240 V , you can charge with a regular wall plug. For a lot of usage patterns this is more than enough.

[–] Skysurfer@slrpnk.net 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You can make it work on 120V, it just uses ~20-30% more energy due to the overhead of running all the vehicle systems for so much longer while charging.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

I think that number is a bit off. Yes, there is overhead when charging a car to run its battery management system, heat losses in the wiring, etc. But it's not 20-30% of the ~kilowatt of power you'd run through level 1. A quick search says that 20% loss is at the higher end for level 1 (probably 15% on the lower end) but even level 2 has about a 10% loss.

The bigger issue is that level 1 just doesn't have nearly as much power as level 2. Most cars charge at level 1 at 8-16 amps. Most level 2 setups charge at a few times that, plus the voltage is doubled so the total power ends up being about 10x as much. But that's not to say everyone needs that power either. Honestly, for the average driver it's quite easy to make level 1 work.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 81 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (25 children)

It ain’t the junk in the garage, it’s the $80k and the spyware

[–] aword@feddit.online 48 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (10 children)

Yup. Find me a car that respects my privacy and won't advertise to me and I'm in.

Edit to add: and no fuucking subscriptions to enable things the car can already do but disabled in software.

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[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (15 children)

How about talking to the landlords who refuse to install EV chargers? Or maybe talk to manufacturers who won't sell a basic EV that isn't overpriced?

This is just "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!" again.

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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago

If you need to top off with 200 - 300 miles of range every night, you commute sucks giant donkey balls.

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