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It's been a week. Ubuntu Studio, and every day it's something. I swear Linux is the OS version of owning a boat, it's constant maintenance. Am I dumb, or doing something wrong?

After many issues, today I thought I had shit figured out, then played a game for the first time. All good, but the intro had some artifacts. I got curious, I have an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 and thought that was weird. Looked it up, turns out Linux was using lvmpipe. Found a fix. Now it's using my card, no more clipping, great!. But now my screen flickers. Narrowed it down to Vivaldi browser. Had to uninstall, which sucks and took a long time to figure out. Now I'm on Librewolf which I liked on windows but it's a cpu hungry bitch on Linux (eating 3.2g of memory as I type this). Every goddamned time I fix something, it breaks something else.

This is just one of many, every day, issues.

I'm tired. I want to love Linux. I really do, but what the hell? Windows just worked.

I've resigned myself to "the boat life" but is there a better way? Am I missing something and it doesn't have to be this hard, or is this what Linux is? If that's just like this I'm still sticking cause fuck Microsoft but you guys talk like Linux should be everyone's first choice. I'd never recommend Linux to anyone I know, it doesn't "just work".

EDIT: Thank you so much to everyone who blew up my post, I didn't expect this many responses, this much advice, or this much kindness. You're all goddamned gems!

To paraphrase my username's namesake, because of @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone and his apt gif (also, Mr. Flickerman, when I record I often shout about Clem Fandango)...

When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall GNU/LINUX OS grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

All of the long time Linux users have what you perceive as flawless experiences because they already did all the stumbling you did and more. Every operating system has steep learning curves and you will struggle with how it does things when first starting out. I recently had to start using Windows again after exclusively using Linux for years (and Windows 11 no less which I never used before) and there are plenty of times I've failed to do simple things I could do on Linux without even thinking.

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[–] gunpachi 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If you want to install any apps go with Flatpaks for reliability. Since Ubuntu has snaps, install the snap variant of available. Imo Flatpaks have greatly reduced the number of issues like dependency problems for me.

Have you tried any other distro ? I'd recommend any of the universal blue projects or fedora silverblue as it is relatively maintainance free and just like using windows/macos. If you game just go with Bazzite, otherwise try Aurora/Bluefin. In most cases you won't even have to use the terminal that much, but if you do they have really nice cli tools too.

If you still want to go the traditional approach - Arch based distros can also be very good, ateast you will be able to find answers on the archwiki and try those solutions. It's not like Ubuntu is bad, it's kind of janky sometimes and I kind of liked the conveince of finding all that I need within the archwiki. Arch has fast updates, so things will break once in a while.. however my experience has been really good with arch for many years now. if you want to try it then go with either EmdavourOS or CachyOS - both are setup quite well out of the box.

TL;DR - try Flatpaks, try low maintenance distros like Bazzite and use it like you normally do.

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[–] StarMerchant938@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

My linux workflow: Try installing with apt. Try installing with snap. Try installing with npm. Try installing with flatpak. Try installing with cargo. Try building with git. Try installing with the shady curl script from stackexchange. If it breaks or refuses to work in the first place try a similar application from a completely different dev.

[–] VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In my first year I had multiple issues with Linux. Mainly because I tried to install stuff that wasn't meant for my version of the OS but for an older one and I blindly followed the "black market" tutorials how to uninstall and reinstall packages to meet requirements. That corrupted my system and I had to repair it multiple times. Also, I played around with many distros and multibooted them all, destroying my grub once or twice.

Now that I use Ubuntu for a "longer" time, I rarely have issues except hardware specific ones. For example the webcam doesn't work on my dell laptop because apparently it is not supported right out of the box. But apart from that I have no issues compared to windows (where imho windows 11 is an issue in itself).

[–] hdnclr@beehaw.org 3 points 22 hours ago

Oh Gods, I learned the hard way to never roll back a package unless you really know what you're doing. And I learned that lesson way back in 2013 or 2014, when I'd only been using Linux for a year or two full-time. Now I'm on a rolling distro and have everything as purely the latest version, and if I come across some weird thing that involves rolling back a package to an older version, I will simply not do that and will look for other solutions instead. Sometimes it's as simple as creating a symlink so that when a program looks for libWhatever2.1.5 it gets quietly redirected to libWhatever2.6.0

[–] christian@lemmy.ml 1 points 17 hours ago

I began writing this comment with the intention of answering your question, but it actually ended up mainly being me venting myself.

Obviously no, it's never been a flawless experience, but a few months back I decided I wanted to try gaming so I put an nvidia card in my pc and reinstalled linux to start fresh. All of the examples you've given sound like the sort of problems I've had since then, but never in the ten years before when I was using intel integrated graphics. I was aware going in that nvidia is massively more problematic than AMD, but this card was a spare from someone I know.

Obviously there are games I can run well now that were unrealistic before, but there are also a couple 2D games with SNES-quality graphics that I've tried which spike my CPU to 100% and lag like crap in spite of working perfectly before I installed the card. I've had two experiences where a game suddenly has issues immediately after an update to the nvidia-utils package. I'm not new to linux, but I am new to gaming on it and I've kind of given up on troubleshooting this stuff in favor of "maybe there will be an update tomorrow that fixes this".

There's reason for optimism, everyone is saying the situation is steadily improving because nvidia has been much more cooperative in the past couple years. It's not realistic to say you won't find annoyances regardless, but it wouldn't surprise me if over half of your struggles are a direct result of decades of one company's deliberate decision to ignore pleas to stop making life as hard as they possibly can on software developers trying to support their hardware.

[–] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's my overall experience with Ubuntu really. Bene using it for work and everyday there's some new annoyance

[–] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago

Yeah. These problems are why I left Ubuntu for Fedora.

[–] root@aussie.zone 2 points 20 hours ago

As others have mentioned, an alternative distro ypu can try is Bazzite. It's an immutable distro, so most of the OS is read-only. The OS gets installed on 2 partitions (so you'll need roughly double the storage space) but you'll boot into one while updates get pushed into the dormant one. When the OS reboots, you'll get the recently patched partition while the older one waits for updates and also serves as a backup, just in case.

There's also Nobara, which is based on Fedora but with gaming specific addons. I think you'll be able to easily install nVidia drivers as well. It is also a rolling release distro so you'll get faster updates which I think is better if you want to game in linux.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 day ago

Honestly? Yeah so far. I swapped to Bazzite after getting a new AMD rig in early July. There was a little bit of setup for the first few weeks, but it's worked perfectly for the whole last month.

I did have many, many issues on my last computer when I was on an Nvidia card though. My impressions are that Linux can be very hardware dependent, and Nvidia is kinda notorious for not supporting their hardware.

[–] kureta@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My advice would be, only use vanilla/default/official versions of the most popular distros. Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Studio, Fedora, not (I don't know what variants there are) Fedora. Do not use specialized distros, for example a gaming distro. Do not use 3rd party repos. Do not manually install any packages from anywhere. If you want something and official repos of your official distro cannot do it, just don't do it. Do not try to find a workaround and make it happen.

After using Linux for a while you'll become more comfortable with it and you'll slowly start moving outside the above limitations. The best and worst thing about Linux is that your OS is yours and you can tinker with all of its parts. But you shouldn't, at the beginning. If you were to tinker with Windows like that, it would also break.

[–] bia@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I've used Linux for 15 years and absolutely don't tinker with a system I depend on, completely agree with this advice.

The downside as others have mentioned is that tinker-free support is hardware dependant. But it's getting better over time.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Immutable distros imo help developers with this issue of subvariants a lot. Each immutable distro will have the same behavior, the only difference is hardware interactions. This helps with debugging.

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[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago

I have been using Linux for a long time and it's only been in the post chrome os era that I've really seen updates and maintenance begin to turn the corner.

A lot of Linux users will tell you their system is perfect but it kinda reminds me of that documentary where all these inventors came to show off their sex robots at a sex robot convention. Its obvious how absurd it is when you're on the outside looking in at a bunch of people who are like "I know she's rough lookin' but just check out this feature".

ChromeOS was really a first class experience on third rate garbage hardware. It did however really spark the potential for a new paradigm that projects like ChimeraOS, universalBlue, vanillaOS, blendOS, and even steamOS are tackling.

Ubuntu is a bit "dated" in its design. (For lack of a better description even though they keep trying to re-invent the wheel). There is a reason why everyone is rushing to make Linux usable now and that's namely because it's become valves chosen desktop platform moving forward. Immutable/atomic distributions are set to fix the problems the average user deals with when it comes to Linux.

I'm actually using bazzite-dx with Nvidia and gnome right now. Its been an overall success with some kinks due to the average jank you get with Nvidia drivers. For instance, Bambu studio flatpak was busted for a week but I just checked tonight and it looks like it's been fixed.

Its ok to be frustrated about this. You're not alone.There are dozens of us! Dozens!

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 87 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Think of your workstation running Ubuntu Studio as new shoes that need running in.

I've been using Debian Linux as my primary desktop for over 25 years. The amount of downtime I experience is negligible. When I look at the sheer volume of MacOS updates requiring a reboot, or the absurd number of "fixes" pushed by Microsoft, I'm very content.

[–] lordnikon@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (9 children)

^ This, Debian just works and gets out of your way. But no one seems to recommend it.

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[–] Wfh@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: it starts with hardware.

It's sad to say but a flawless Linux experience out of the box often comes from picking the right hardware first. Chose vendors who actively support Linux. AMD/Intel CPUs, APUs and/or GPUs. Intel WiFi card. Everything else should work ootb except most fingerprint sensors. Avoid laptops with dGPUs. Avoid nVidia. Hardware support comes from hardware vendors, the days of janky community drivers have been over for almost 2 decades. When it's time for you to replace your hardware, do your homework first and/or buy from companies who sell Linux machines (Framework, Tuxedo, Slimbook, Starlabs, System76, some Dells, some Lenovos, etc). You can still buy from random companies but there won't be any guarantees.

Then, the choice of distro in kinda important but not that much. In my 20+ years of actively using and working with Linux, both in the desktop and server space, I've always found Ubuntu and its derivatives kind of janky. I'm a lifelong Debian user, but my best experience on modern hardware have been Fedora on my main laptop and its atomic derivative Bazzite on my gaming rig. Bazzite also comes with a nVidia-specific image for those who can't/wont replace their GPU.

Nowadays to limit interactions between system and user-facing applications, I tend to install most things from Flathub. It might not help with hardware issues, but it helps with stability.

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[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Lol no. I've been using Linux for 10 years and it's been a continuous dumpster fire. Constant issues l, especially with Nvidia, across many different machines. Issues with wine, no X11 (or Wayland) after updates, games not starting, etc, etc. Across Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch (and derivatives).

Yet I almost exclusively use Linux nowadays. Why? Because it's a dumpster fire I can influence. Windows is going to shit, they were taking my PC hostage, installing spyware, ads, forcing updated without my consent. On Linux I have to invest hours to fix shit, on Windows I can get fucked whenever something happens that I don't want.

With proton advancing, Wayland working somewhat usable even with Nvidia,my threshold was passed. I'd rather fix the fixable Linux issues that cost me time than deal with Windows any longer. But for the layman I'm not sure I'd recommend it. I'm a computer scientist. I can fixodt issues, it's just a question of time and energy. But that doesn't go for everyone.

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[–] bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Been running the same Arch installation for a bit over a year. Minor issues here and there, but nothing out of the ordinary for general computer use.

Learning was hard. I'd say it took me a good year before I was really genuinely comfortable with Linux overall, and even then, it was quite a while longer before I felt I could call myself experienced or proficient.

I will say this, switching to AMD was a massive step up in terms of reliability. Also, and this is just my experience, but as someone who also started on Ubuntu, I've had far fewer weird obscure issues on Arch than on that, or any other distro I've tried. It's daunting, but it's so well documented that it's almost impossible to have an issue with no known fix.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 22 hours ago

Every OS sucks. Linux sucks wayyy less tho

[–] EponymousBosh@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

NVIDIA

Welp, there's your problem. I have an NVIDIA card as well and it's been the source of at least 95% of my Linux headaches.

I've tried a few distros and Linux Mint was definitely the most "just works" for me. Make sure you're using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers, regardless of what option you choose. Currently I use SpiralLinux (Debian with a few tweaks) because I really like the BTRFS snapshots and fell in love with KDE during my distro-hopping, but Mint is what I would recommend to the vast majority of people.

[–] underscores@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I use Nvidia on desktop and haven't had any issues

I use arch and cachyOS

I'm not sure what people do that kill their system frequently, and I like to think I'm over-thinkering with things.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I also use Arch/NVIDIA without issue.

The last major NVIDIA issue I had was trying to use gamescope to get HDR. But after Proton 10 I just use native Wayland which supports HDR (in KDE Plasma).

[–] frozenspinach@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

It took a lot of learning, for sure, a lot of frustrated googling, but worth it. I wouldn't choose Ubuntu Studio as my first experience. Ironically my first experience was with Ubuntu, and it was awesome, but that's back when Ubuntu was good which was like 2008-2012 (my experience evidently is contrary to some here, but it was kind of the breakthrough of strong Linux desktops imo).

[–] littlelordfauntleroy@lemmy.zip 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude I'd be lying if I said I never had issues, and so would anyone else who uses nux as a daily driver. Let's be real though, if you have never had an issue with Windows you are part of a blessed minority. Windows works fairly well most of the time, agreed, but so does my current distro.

I'm sure you're aware that nvidia has it's own issues, but from what I've read that is improving steadily. A big part of being on nux is the freedom, the stability and the security - seems like that is what attracted you in the first place. I think the early days of switching are definitely the hardest. As you have experienced, it can be downright fiddly. It's also largely unfamiliar, and you spend hours googling and trying to find solutions. The upside is that eventually you will solve most of these problems, or they will be solved in an update. You also gain a deeper knowledge of your OS and your machine in the process, and an appreciation of how very complex and beautiful it all is. It's a fair but at times frustrating trade.

Keep at it, things will work out eventually. Distro hopping can be fun and you may find something that works beautifully with your configuration, or you might not. Hope it goes well for you friend.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nailed it. I'm really fucking frustrated and needed to vent. I have no regrets, in fact moving my PC to Linux (my work PC so it was a whole panic thing for a day or two) was the last piece to cut ties with big tech and every company who's CEO was at Trump's inauguration or has since "bent the knee". Its been a long, stressful process, the last of which turned out to be the biggest effort. Thanks for the kind words.

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

OS choice and hardware are a lot of it. I built a desktop in 2019 and it was the best experience I've had yet with Linux. Everyone works.

Nvidia 2070s, and ryzen 3800x, 64GB RAM. Even wifi and Bluetooth on the motherboard worked fine out of the box.

I used to have so many quirks once in a while on my last system and it was always to do with an update and an Nvidia driver, I'd have to drop to shell and manually reinstall it, or download a new one with cli browsers and install it lol.

But I persist because I love the idea and the mission.

While I use Windows for work and a steam deck mostly for gaming these days, any time I boot my desktop I'm blown away at how incredibly snappy it is compared to the windows of today.

Like I knew things were getting bad when the windows calculator started showing me a splash screen and needed to "load", and when the start menu started showing similar quirks. Now we have AI shoved in everywhere and it's just a gross OS to use.

But, I digress...

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

I like Linux, use(d) various flavors of it, and have had experience with / exposure to it for over 20 years. But no, I've never had a remotely flawless experience with it on a desktop or laptop environment. Wish I could offer more help or encouragement, but figured I'd at least chime in with some emotional support by affirming that you are not alone in that experience.

I would recommend Linux to technologically adept people (ex: tech professionals, computer science students) and only indirectly to less technically proficient people in the form of suggesting something like a Steam Deck for portable PC gaming to someone who might be interested.

But for an aging parent or my best friend's kids? No. Sometimes I already feel like I'm a free on-call 24/7 IT support tech for friends and family, and that's with mostly Windows and Android devices that pretty much just work the way folks expect (even if that way is broken/crumby/irritating/etc).

[–] Botzo@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Windows was just the boat you already knew.

Now you have a new (more adaptable) one and don't know all it's squeaks and rattles. You're neither dumb nor is something wrong. You just aren't familiar with what it needs from you.

Give it some time (a week compared to how long in windows?) and attention and soon you'll wonder why you ever second guessed it.

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[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Nvidia, Nvidia did this.

[–] HouseWolf@pawb.social 5 points 1 day ago

Honestly depends on the hardware. I still had an Nvidia card for the first year I used Linux and 90% of my issues stemmed from that...

As for everything else I've had a much easier time with Linux than most people I know because I unintentionally bought peripherals that already worked great with Linux before I was even thinking about switching.

A few people I know have tried Linux but ran into issues with their mice or audio equipment that require proprietary drivers or dedicated software to fully function. Most of these are the big name "gamer" brands like Razer.

I had issues with Razers software all the way back on Windows 7 so I swore off buying anymore keyboards or mice that require 3rd party drivers so I never had an issue with them when switching over.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I got Ubuntu. It gives me weird warning messages on boot. Sometimes they're red. I just ignore them.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

On big difference between Windows and Linux is that Windows will work around hardware that is not configured correctly or isn’t compliant with whatever spec or protocol (eg USB). You get errors on Ubuntu because there might be something wrong with your setup. Windows would ignore 5”these issues or have a patch to work around.

[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 11 points 1 day ago

Not flawless, but also not catastrophic.

It seems like the problems I encounter lessen (or lessen in difficulty to troubleshoot) as I use arch linux more and more.

If you use amd hardware, then I guess you'll have a good time with the distros. Most "user friendly" distros should work out of the box. Try switching to something other than debian based.

With the nvidia open kernel modules, it has been rather hassle free for me.

Also remember to check the arch wiki. It's a great resource.

[–] monovergent@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Not flawless, but that's on me for insisting on a very particular look and workflow that involves lots of manual config editing.

You're conflating a bunch of things that aren't Linux issues here.

  1. You didn't have the proper setup for Nvidia to start with. Shouldn't be a problem in the future.
  2. If Vivaldi had screen flickering, that's on their software, and almost guaranteed to be an issue with their hardware acceleration.
  3. Librewolf is probably the same problem as above. Try disabling hardware acceleration.
[–] Resplendent606@piefed.social 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What you are experiencing is called a learning curve. Don't let it get you angry, learn from it. NVIDIA is known to be problematic for Linux users (I have had my share of issues with my 2080 Ti) but once it is setup it is problem free. Librewolf is known to be one of the chunkier options, but 3gb really isn't that much for modern systems (especially if you have 16 or 32gb of memory). I would personally take Librewolf's privacy features over closed-source Vivaldi any day. Linux overall is much more efficient than Windows and I would bet that your system idle memory usage with nothing open is lower than it was with Windows.

[–] lemmysir@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Most stuff worked great out of the box for me. I had some quirks with power management, specifically for my wifi card, resulting in bad wifi, but there are so many resources and so many people willing to help out that it was not even a big problem to solve. I haven't used Ubuntu, I am on arch, but the great thing is, most problems and solutions don't really care what distro you're on, so I am no stranger to ubuntu forums when researching something. And as cliché as it is to recommended, the arch wiki is an amazing source of information, so definitely give it a look.

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